geo-bof-2005-06-30
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Geo Microformat BOF meeting notes
Attendees
- Tantek Ãelik
- Bud Gibson
- Chris Goad
- Ian Kallen
- Ryan King
- Edward Mac Gillavry (summary post)
- Kevin Marks
- Robert Thau
- Phil Torrone
- ... add your name if you were there, but not mentioned above.
Reference
- BOF announcement
- location formats background research
- GeoMicroformatNotes on O'Reilly Where 2.0 wiki
#microformats IRC log
[6:23:18 PM:] KevinMarks: Geo microformat BoF [6:26:40 PM:] kingryan: tantek, kevin and i are at the geo microformats bof [6:32:51 PM:] Tantek: doing intros [6:33:00 PM:] * Tantek intro'd [6:33:10 PM:] Tantek: Edward Mac Gillavry of webmapper [6:33:18 PM:] Tantek: doing ICBM meta tags today [6:33:25 PM:] Tantek: did a plugin/extension for Movable Type [6:33:36 PM:] Tantek: Chris Goad [6:33:44 PM:] Tantek: has been worrying about this thing for a few years [6:33:56 PM:] Tantek: geolat and geolon tags [6:34:03 PM:] Tantek: RDF fanatic/advocate [6:34:22 PM:] Tantek: tend to gravitate to RSS 1.0 + geolat and geolong [6:34:32 PM:] Tantek: Ryan King, grad student at USF, intern at Technorati [6:35:03 PM:] Tantek: wants improvement on meta icbm [6:35:10 PM:] Tantek: Robert Thau [6:35:15 PM:] Tantek: long history, but particular thing is [6:35:25 PM:] Tantek: got a project that might evolve to aggregate multiple sources of geocoded data [6:35:40 PM:] Tantek: trying to figure out if there is something going here that he should lead, follow, or get out of the way [6:35:46 PM:] Tantek: Kevin Marks, Technorati [6:35:56 PM:] Tantek: 12-13 years ago, did a project called "3D Atlas" [6:36:03 PM:] Tantek: home mapping program [6:36:07 PM:] kingryan: did map pins [6:36:17 PM:] kingryan: map pins = point + zoom level [6:36:39 PM:] Tantek: key thing is, wants to add some amount of zoom level [6:36:48 PM:] Tantek: Philip Torrone, MAKE magazine [6:36:50 PM:] mokolabs: see ya [6:36:58 PM:] Tantek: interested in helping people implement this [6:37:04 PM:] Tantek: geotagging Flickr photos [6:37:12 PM:] Tantek: using mappr site to geotag photos of projects [6:37:18 PM:] Tantek: it's all hard [6:37:22 PM:] Tantek: there is no collection of the data [6:37:25 PM:] kingryan: data is all over the place [6:37:33 PM:] Tantek: Bud Gibson [6:37:39 PM:] Tantek: started a company called The Community Engine [6:37:47 PM:] Tantek: help companies gain web visibility [6:37:58 PM:] Tantek: heard Tantek give a talk along with Eric Meyer at SXSW [6:38:03 PM:] Tantek: interested in social sharing of data [6:38:13 PM:] Tantek: developed a microformat called xFolk [6:38:19 PM:] Tantek: geo thing for him, is a more recent interest [6:38:26 PM:] Tantek: adding another dimension to social interaction and archives [6:38:27 PM:] kingryan: geo adds another dimension to social interaction [6:38:34 PM:] Tantek: Ian Kallen, Technorati [6:38:46 PM:] Tantek: interests with dealing with data that has a geometric data [6:38:55 PM:] Tantek: dates back to about 10 years ago, when VRML was introduced [6:39:33 PM:] Tantek: today, thinking about a lot of ideas that were percolating about visualization of data [6:39:38 PM:] Tantek: latent data in blogosphere [6:39:43 PM:] Tantek: places that people reference [6:39:48 PM:] Tantek: places that people call home [6:39:54 PM:] Tantek: jetsetters that post all over the place [6:39:58 PM:] Tantek: homebodies that post from home [6:40:04 PM:] Tantek: a lot to do to unlock this [6:40:16 PM:] Tantek: would like to see latent data in there already, enriched [6:40:26 PM:] Tantek: not necessarily build more stuff to depend on RDF or invisible data [6:40:38 PM:] Tantek: better if it is part of the data people are already producing [6:40:49 PM:] Tantek: would like to define something tools could build into the creation process [6:40:59 PM:] Tantek: it should just be part of the natural creation process [6:41:00 PM:] kingryan: make it part of the natural process of creation [6:43:39 PM:] Tantek: http://microformats.org/wiki/location-formats [6:47:10 PM:] Tantek: the author of MultiMap is going to post to CPAN a perl parser for European addresses [6:47:39 PM:] kingryan: still reviewing http://microformats.org/wiki/location-formats [6:47:57 PM:] kingryan: to add: maporama.com [6:49:59 PM:] kingryan: GML is an xml set of schemas for representing geo [6:50:04 PM:] kingryan: its and OGC standard [6:50:17 PM:] kingryan: GML is not a mapping of a previous standard [6:50:36 PM:] kingryan: TODO: add archml to wiki [6:51:15 PM:] adamhill: nhv: any clue how good/bad is GML? [6:51:37 PM:] kingryan: WCS is a OGC standard [6:51:42 PM:] kingryan: WCS= web coverage service [6:52:42 PM:] kingryan: w3c has an rfidig [6:52:58 PM:] KevinMarks: http://esw.w3.org/topic/GeoInfo [6:54:02 PM:] nhv: GML could work [6:54:56 PM:] kingryan: mapping service urls could be considered another publishing format [6:55:22 PM:] kingryan: nhv: I'm just transcribing what's going on here at our meeting [6:56:00 PM:] kingryan: people publish mapping site urls [6:56:06 PM:] kingryan: people publish named places [6:56:16 PM:] kingryan: people publish postal codes [6:56:28 PM:] kingryan: make mag. has a geo url button [6:57:18 PM:] kingryan: geo in rss = place that relates to the post [6:57:41 PM:] kingryan: gpx ? [6:57:50 PM:] kingryan: gps xml format ? [6:58:03 PM:] kingryan: ptorrone say: gps devices all have their own format [6:58:09 PM:] kingryan: ...garmin has their own xml format [6:58:16 PM:] kingryan: ...includes waypoints [6:58:25 PM:] kingryan: ...no one doing anything with it on the web [6:58:29 PM:] kingryan: ...similar stuff for aircraft [6:58:38 PM:] kingryan: ...convergence on gpx ? [6:59:08 PM:] kingryan: for geo in rss, semantics are not defined [6:59:27 PM:] kingryan: it just means there some association between the post and this place [7:00:14 PM:] kingryan something proposed by ian davis ? [7:00:21 PM:] kingryan: a way for creating urls for places ? [7:00:24 PM:] kingryan: no adoption [7:01:08 PM:] kingryan: tantek say: these things can be broken into two categories... [7:01:18 PM:] kingryan: human readable, machine readable [7:01:25 PM:] kingryan: kevin say: postcode a 3rd category [7:03:00 PM:] kingryan: wgs84 - most widely understood lat/long spec [7:03:06 PM:] kingryan: that's what gps uses [7:04:01 PM:] kingryan: tantek say: people publish mostly with names and links [7:04:07 PM:] kingryan: though they also do geo stuff [7:04:52 PM:] kingryan: ian say: could something like plazes become a translation services between named places and machine coords [7:05:11 PM:] kingryan: phil say: any greasmonkey translating between human and computer readable? [7:05:24 PM:] kingryan: bud say : could tags be useful? [7:05:35 PM:] kingryan: ...in hayes valley and lookinig for a gym [7:05:52 PM:] kingryan: could you look for the intersection of 'hayes valley' and 'gym' ? [7:06:32 PM:] kingryan: tantek say : may need 2 microformats [7:06:48 PM:] kingryan: .. vcard has done well to have an international schema [7:07:00 PM:] kingryan: .. field names are supposed to be neutral [7:07:27 PM:] kingryan: rsthau : japanse addresses have different structure [7:07:37 PM:] Tantek: How are Japanese addresses represented in vCard? [7:07:42 PM:] kingryan: is vcard in use in japan? [7:08:02 PM:] kingryan: ptorrone say : in japan for a year and couldn't figure it out [7:08:04 PM:] nhv: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm [7:08:29 PM:] kingryan: tantek say: software supports vcard [7:08:35 PM:] kingryan: .. software has been localized [7:08:44 PM:] kingryan: .. did they port vcard? how? [7:08:56 PM:] rsthau: Structure as I understand it... [7:09:06 PM:] rsthau: Cities are carved up into blocks called (I think) chome [7:09:24 PM:] rsthau: Address is: the chome, and the number of the building permit. [7:10:14 PM:] rsthau: More info here: http://www.digi-promotion.com/tokyo-info/info-maps-address.html [7:09:41 PM:] kingryan: tantek ask: could we just take the adr property out of vcard and use that for publishing? [7:10:40 PM:] kingryan: vcard also has a property called geo [7:10:45 PM:] kingryan: geo is outside the adr [7:10:49 PM:] nhv: http://www.iseran.com/gps/waypointml.html [7:10:49 PM:] kingryan: no projection in vcard geo element [7:10:58 PM:] kingryan: rfc2426 [7:11:44 PM:] kingryan: the spec doesn't specify the datum [7:11:54 PM:] kingryan: should wgs84 be assumed? [7:11:56 PM:] Tantek: default to WGS84 [7:12:00 PM:] kingryan: seems to be consenus on that [7:12:06 PM:] kingryan: make sure that's in the microformat [7:12:09 PM:] Tantek: microformat for geo should specify WGS84 [7:13:02 PM:] kingryan: who publishes in pure, visible lat/long? [7:13:12 PM:] kingryan: über geeks might, geocachers might [7:13:51 PM:] kingryan: microformats are constrainted to published stuff, typically exclude web services [7:14:06 PM:] kingryan: people are already publishing data. can we just have people mark it up? [7:14:39 PM:] kingryan: no, but we all have laptops [7:14:59 PM:] adamhill: big player considerizing standardizing geo data: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates [7:16:40 PM:] kingryan: can we put both geometric and human data? [7:16:44 PM:] Tantek: Bud: would be nice if you could combine address and geo so they could be embedded in same microformat [7:16:54 PM:] kingryan: bud say : can we use location tags? neighborhoods? [7:17:19 PM:] kingryan: could overlay these things with [7:17:41 PM:] kingryan: folkcartography++