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This page contains <em>proposals</em>.  For the current state please see [[h-card]].
This page contains <em>proposals</em>.  For the current state please see [[h-card]].
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Brainstorm proposals that illustrate how to use the existing hCard spec will likely be incorporated into existing hCard documentation such as:
Brainstorm proposals that illustrate how to use the existing hCard spec will likely be incorporated into existing hCard documentation such as:
* [[h-card-authoring]]
* [[h-card-authoring]]
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Add new explorations here as === === triple level headings
Add new explorations here as === === triple level headings
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=== Preferred Pronouns ===
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=== Pronouns ===
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Ashton McAllan marks up her preferred pronouns as:
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Ashton McAllan marks up her pronouns as:
<source lang=html4strict>
<source lang=html4strict>
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<span class="p-pronouns">she/her/hers</span>
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">she</span> /
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">her</span> /
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-posessive">hers</span>
</source>
</source>
in her [[h-card]] on http://acegiak.net/
in her [[h-card]] on http://acegiak.net/
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They are listed as a single field there in the subject/object/possessive format because that is a standard formation in English but the format used for stating pronoun sets may be different in other languages.
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Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for different uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronoun the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article]
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Note that [[microformats2]] uses singular property names, thus another alternative may be to mark them up separately as singulars:
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[[User:GRegorLove|gRegor Morrill]] marks up his pronouns similarly (note corrected spelling of "possessive"):
<source lang=html4strict>
<source lang=html4strict>
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-subject">she</span> /
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<p>Pronouns: <span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">he</span>/
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-object">her</span> /
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">him</span>/
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-possessive">hers</span>
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-possessive">his</span></p>
</source>
</source>
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on http://gregorlove.com/about/
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[http://vanderven.se/martijn/ Martijn van der Ven] marks up his pronouns (more clearly on [http://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/ his gender page]) using only a dictionary URL:
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<source lang=html4strict>
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<p>
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  I use male pronouns (
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  <a href="https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/hij#Persoonlijk_voornaamwoord" lang="nl" class="u-pronoun">hij</a>,
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  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/han#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">han</a>,
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  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/he#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">he</a>,
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  <a href="https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/er#Personalpronomen" lang="de" class="u-pronoun">er</a>
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  ) but also accept gender-neutral pronouns (
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  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/hen#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">hen</a>,
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  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">they</a>
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  ). If you are writing about me and are in doubt: ask.
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</p></source>
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* There is no way Martijn sees himself supporting 4 cases for English (subjective, objective, reflexive, and possessive), 5 cases for German (nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, and possessive), and a possible 13 cases for Finnish in the future. Doubtful anyone else will be doing that either: at least 1 implementation (by [https://unrelenting.technology/ Greg V]) of English p-x-pronoun-* exists in the wild that only specifies 2 cases.
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* Simplifying for human visitors who can instantly get started with my pronoun of choice is seen as more important than catering to theoretical computer parsers.
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* His thought process [http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun has been documented].
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* [https://00dani.me/ Danielle McLean] is also using <code>u-pronoun</code>, linking to the popular [https://pronoun.is/ Pronoun Island] registry page for her pronouns: <code><nowiki><a class="u-pronoun" href="https://pronoun.is/she/her">she/her</a></nowiki></code>.
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** Started looking for a way to mark-up pronouns because the p-sex/p-gender-identity combo is “[https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-29/1509268972735000 unbelievably terrible]”.
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** [https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-29/1509269322353000 Agreed with Martijn’s arguments] for why a link is better than per-case mark-up.
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==== Pronouns Prior Art ====
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* MediaWiki preferences, e.g. https://www.w3.org/wiki/Special:Preferences (when logged in) has a radio button group from you can choose your nominative pronoun (or none).
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<blockquote><pre>
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How do you prefer to be described?
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(*) (I prefer not to say)
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( ) She edits wiki pages
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( ) He edits wiki pages
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</pre></blockquote>
== See Also ==
== See Also ==
* [[h-card]]
* [[h-card]]
* [[hcard-brainstorming]] - for additional proposals to bring forth to h-card
* [[hcard-brainstorming]] - for additional proposals to bring forth to h-card

Current revision

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This page is for brainstorming about various uses, details of, and additions to h-card.

This page contains proposals. For the current state please see h-card.

Contents

Brainstorm proposals that illustrate how to use the existing hCard spec will likely be incorporated into existing hCard documentation such as:

Explorations

Add new explorations here as === === triple level headings

Pronouns

Ashton McAllan marks up her pronouns as:

<span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">she</span> / 
<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">her</span> / 
<span class="p-x-pronoun-posessive">hers</span>

in her h-card on http://acegiak.net/

Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for different uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article


gRegor Morrill marks up his pronouns similarly (note corrected spelling of "possessive"):

<p>Pronouns: <span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">he</span>/
<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">him</span>/
<span class="p-x-pronoun-possessive">his</span></p>

on http://gregorlove.com/about/

Martijn van der Ven marks up his pronouns (more clearly on his gender page) using only a dictionary URL:

<p>
  I use male pronouns (
  <a href="https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/hij#Persoonlijk_voornaamwoord" lang="nl" class="u-pronoun">hij</a>,
  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/han#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">han</a>,
  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/he#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">he</a>,
  <a href="https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/er#Personalpronomen" lang="de" class="u-pronoun">er</a>
  ) but also accept gender-neutral pronouns (
  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/hen#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">hen</a>,
  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">they</a>
  ). If you are writing about me and are in doubt: ask.
</p>

Pronouns Prior Art

How do you prefer to be described?	
(*) (I prefer not to say)
( ) She edits wiki pages
( ) He edits wiki pages

See Also

h-card Brainstorming was last modified: Sunday, October 29th, 2017

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