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=== Preferred Pronouns ===
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=== Pronouns ===
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Ashton McAllan marks up her preferred pronouns as:
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Ashton McAllan marks up her pronouns as:
<source lang=html4strict>
<source lang=html4strict>
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">she</span>/<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">her</span>/<span class="p-x-pronoun-posessive">hers</span>
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">she</span> /  
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">her</span> /  
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-posessive">hers</span>
</source>
</source>
in her [[h-card]] on http://acegiak.net/
in her [[h-card]] on http://acegiak.net/
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Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for dif'ferent uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronoun the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article]
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Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for different uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronoun the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article]
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[[User:GRegorLove|gRegor Morrill]] marks up his pronouns similarly (note corrected spelling of "possessive"):
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<source lang=html4strict>
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<p>Pronouns: <span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">he</span>/
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">him</span>/
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<span class="p-x-pronoun-possessive">his</span></p>
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</source>
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on http://gregorlove.com/about/
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[https://www.jvt.me/ Jamie Tanna] followed this same pattern, and [https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/04/10/pronouns-microformats/ blogged about implementing it, and why].
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[http://vanderven.se/martijn/ Martijn van der Ven] marks up his pronouns (more clearly on [http://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/ his gender page]) using only a dictionary URL:
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<source lang=html4strict>
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<p>
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  I use male pronouns (
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  <a href="https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/hij#Persoonlijk_voornaamwoord" lang="nl" class="u-pronoun">hij</a>,
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  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/han#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">han</a>,
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  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/he#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">he</a>,
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  <a href="https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/er#Personalpronomen" lang="de" class="u-pronoun">er</a>
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  ) but also accept gender-neutral pronouns (
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  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/hen#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">hen</a>,
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  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">they</a>
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  ). If you are writing about me and are in doubt: ask.
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</p></source>
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* There is no way Martijn sees himself supporting 4 cases for English (subjective, objective, reflexive, and possessive), 5 cases for German (nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, and possessive), and a possible 13 cases for Finnish in the future. Doubtful anyone else will be doing that either: at least 1 implementation (by [https://unrelenting.technology/ Greg V]) of English p-x-pronoun-* exists in the wild that only specifies 2 cases.
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* Simplifying for human visitors who can instantly get started with my pronoun of choice is seen as more important than catering to theoretical computer parsers.
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* His thought process [http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun has been documented].
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* [https://00dani.me/ Danielle McLean] is also using <code>u-pronoun</code>, linking to the popular [https://pronoun.is/ Pronoun Island] registry page for her pronouns: <code><nowiki><a class="u-pronoun" href="https://pronoun.is/she/her">she/her</a></nowiki></code>.
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** Started looking for a way to mark-up pronouns because the p-sex/p-gender-identity combo is “[https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-29/1509268972735000 unbelievably terrible]”.
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** [https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-29/1509269322353000 Agreed with Martijn’s arguments] for why a link is better than per-case mark-up.
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* [[User:Sknebel|sknebel]] [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534703222243600 notes] (2018-08-19) that he would prefer to see text (that possibly leads him to Google for proper use) than just URLs in the parser output. Although the URLs are useful, [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534705418184500 a simple name:url pair] would increase the usefulness.
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** Possibly something like <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .u-url</code> paired with <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .p-name</code>. [[h-cite]] would be prior art as also expressing “a reference to <i>[something]</i> in some way with name and url”. [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19/1534705492641900]
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==== Other Platforms ====
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A [https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/3211 GitHub issue about adding pronoun fields] to [https://indieweb.org/Mastodon Mastodon] was [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534700249077000 discussed in #microformats] on 2018-08-19. The comments in the issue bring up some points previously brought up by Martijn in regards to how useful it would be for machines. Also includes interesting survey data showing that just listing the minimal amount of cases does not show all inflections, e.g. does “ne/nim” refer to “ne/nem/neir/neirs/nemself” or “ne/nem/nayr/nayrs/nemself”?
==== Pronouns Prior Art ====
==== Pronouns Prior Art ====

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This page is for brainstorming about various uses, details of, and additions to h-card.

This page contains proposals. For the current state please see h-card.

Contents

Brainstorm proposals that illustrate how to use the existing hCard spec will likely be incorporated into existing hCard documentation such as:

Explorations

Add new explorations here as === === triple level headings

Pronouns

Ashton McAllan marks up her pronouns as:

<span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">she</span> / 
<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">her</span> / 
<span class="p-x-pronoun-posessive">hers</span>

in her h-card on http://acegiak.net/

Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for different uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article


gRegor Morrill marks up his pronouns similarly (note corrected spelling of "possessive"):

<p>Pronouns: <span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">he</span>/
<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">him</span>/
<span class="p-x-pronoun-possessive">his</span></p>

on http://gregorlove.com/about/

Jamie Tanna followed this same pattern, and blogged about implementing it, and why.

Martijn van der Ven marks up his pronouns (more clearly on his gender page) using only a dictionary URL:

<p>
  I use male pronouns (
  <a href="https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/hij#Persoonlijk_voornaamwoord" lang="nl" class="u-pronoun">hij</a>,
  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/han#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">han</a>,
  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/he#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">he</a>,
  <a href="https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/er#Personalpronomen" lang="de" class="u-pronoun">er</a>
  ) but also accept gender-neutral pronouns (
  <a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/hen#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">hen</a>,
  <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">they</a>
  ). If you are writing about me and are in doubt: ask.
</p>

Other Platforms

A GitHub issue about adding pronoun fields to Mastodon was discussed in #microformats on 2018-08-19. The comments in the issue bring up some points previously brought up by Martijn in regards to how useful it would be for machines. Also includes interesting survey data showing that just listing the minimal amount of cases does not show all inflections, e.g. does “ne/nim” refer to “ne/nem/neir/neirs/nemself” or “ne/nem/nayr/nayrs/nemself”?

Pronouns Prior Art

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