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*# ''Issue 1: Here is the first issue I have.''
*# ''Issue 1: Here is the first issue I have.''
*# ''Issue 2: Here is the second issue I have.''
*# ''Issue 2: Here is the second issue I have.''
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* 2005-06-21 raised by Hixie
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* {{OpenIssue}} 2007-01-10 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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*# I recently received an e-mail circular, asking that images and blog posts about a particular event be tagged in the style:
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::20070110 AB123YZ postcode:uk=AB123YZ upcoming:id=123456 upcoming:event=19876 upcoming:venue=14567 url=example.com geocoded geotagged geo:lat=52.3456 geo:lon=-1.2345
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:Is any work being one, to document such tag "schema"? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 12:43, 10 Jan 2007 (PST)
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* {{OpenIssue}} 2005-06-21 raised by Hixie
*# ''Issue H-1: This specification is lacking a user agent conformance section. Does the UA simply crawl the DOM looking for all <html:a> elements with a "rel" attribute that contains a "tag" keyword (after space-separated splitting) and then grab the href="" value? How about relative links? Must they implement xml:base? <html:base>? Other things?
*# ''Issue H-1: This specification is lacking a user agent conformance section. Does the UA simply crawl the DOM looking for all <html:a> elements with a "rel" attribute that contains a "tag" keyword (after space-separated splitting) and then grab the href="" value? How about relative links? Must they implement xml:base? <html:base>? Other things?
*# ''Issue H-2: What's the point? Isn't free-text search more effective than relying on people to remember to put a particular tag?
*# ''Issue H-2: What's the point? Isn't free-text search more effective than relying on people to remember to put a particular tag?
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*# ''Issue 1: Somewhat confused. Please either fix or elaborate the difference in the URLs in the Tag Spaces area -> is it /tag/ or /tags/ or /wiki/. Is this URI changeable or is this just showing other implementations. If this is the case I am confused on the implementation. Should /wiki/ only show tagged content of wiki? Should URIs be constructed as /definition/ /blog/ etc... to return those items? Or is it just returning pages and the webmaster just decided on /wiki/ or /tag/ or /applicationdir/?''
*# ''Issue 1: Somewhat confused. Please either fix or elaborate the difference in the URLs in the Tag Spaces area -> is it /tag/ or /tags/ or /wiki/. Is this URI changeable or is this just showing other implementations. If this is the case I am confused on the implementation. Should /wiki/ only show tagged content of wiki? Should URIs be constructed as /definition/ /blog/ etc... to return those items? Or is it just returning pages and the webmaster just decided on /wiki/ or /tag/ or /applicationdir/?''
*#* ACCEPTED FAQ - We need to make this an FAQ entry. --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 14:46, 25 Jan 2006 (PST) (@TODO)
*#* ACCEPTED FAQ - We need to make this an FAQ entry. --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 14:46, 25 Jan 2006 (PST) (@TODO)
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*# ''Issue 2: More information on actually implementing a tag space would be helpful. I wrote a tagging system on our intranet and we run IIS. So I had to install URLrewrite (ISAPI) to create the URI /tag/tagname. We horrible Microsoft people are't as lucky to have Mod Rewrite.''
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*# ''Issue 2: More information on actually implementing a tag space would be helpful. I wrote a tagging system on our intranet and we run IIS. So I had to install URLrewrite (ISAPI) to create the URI /tag/tagname. We horrible Microsoft people aren't as lucky to have Mod Rewrite.''
*#* REJECTED IRRELEVANT - Implementing a tagspace is well outside the bounds of the rel-tag specification. --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 14:46, 25 Jan 2006 (PST)
*#* REJECTED IRRELEVANT - Implementing a tagspace is well outside the bounds of the rel-tag specification. --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 14:46, 25 Jan 2006 (PST)
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*#*:* WordPress blogs, default permalink structure (http://example.com/?cat=N).  Pretty permalinks (http://example.com/category/<tagname>) are supported through various methods, but cannot be enabled by default due to technical variances in web servers and setups. The rigidity of the spec has set a high technical barrier to entry. Even if the category name were put into the URL, it would have to be in the querystring for default WordPress setups, which isn't supported in the spec.  A querystring fallback (?tag=<tagname>) would enable many more systems to use rel-tag.  --[[User:MarkJaquith|MarkJaquith]] 15:39, 20 Oct 2006 (PDT)
*#*:* WordPress blogs, default permalink structure (http://example.com/?cat=N).  Pretty permalinks (http://example.com/category/<tagname>) are supported through various methods, but cannot be enabled by default due to technical variances in web servers and setups. The rigidity of the spec has set a high technical barrier to entry. Even if the category name were put into the URL, it would have to be in the querystring for default WordPress setups, which isn't supported in the spec.  A querystring fallback (?tag=<tagname>) would enable many more systems to use rel-tag.  --[[User:MarkJaquith|MarkJaquith]] 15:39, 20 Oct 2006 (PDT)
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* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-04-06 raised by [[User:Evan|Evan]]
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* 2006-04-06 raised by [[User:Evan|Evan]]
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*# ''The scope says 'rel="tag" is specifically designed for "tagging" content, typically web pages (or portions thereof, like blog posts).', but it's not clear how to associate a tag with one portion of a web page and not another. Some common use cases: image galleries, blog posts, yellow-pages directories, hcard directories, del.icio.us-style lists of bookmarks. Does the tag apply to the <a> element's immediate containing element? All containing elements? One possibility I suggest: the tag applies to the '''most immediately enclosing element with an "id" attribute''' (addressable, at least in XHTML, as #idval), or to the entire page if there is no such element. Another possibility is having a '''tagtarget''' class, so that the parent with that class is the object being tagged.''
*# ''The scope says 'rel="tag" is specifically designed for "tagging" content, typically web pages (or portions thereof, like blog posts).', but it's not clear how to associate a tag with one portion of a web page and not another. Some common use cases: image galleries, blog posts, yellow-pages directories, hcard directories, del.icio.us-style lists of bookmarks. Does the tag apply to the <a> element's immediate containing element? All containing elements? One possibility I suggest: the tag applies to the '''most immediately enclosing element with an "id" attribute''' (addressable, at least in XHTML, as #idval), or to the entire page if there is no such element. Another possibility is having a '''tagtarget''' class, so that the parent with that class is the object being tagged.''
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* 2006-11-24 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* 2006-11-24 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*# Why not ''also'' allow tagging on within-page links (i.e. after "#" as well as after "/")? Then, if I have a page with sub-sections, each of those could be a tag, according to their ID:
*# Why not ''also'' allow tagging on within-page links (i.e. after "#" as well as after "/")? Then, if I have a page with sub-sections, each of those could be a tag, according to their ID:
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* 2006-11-25 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-11-25 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*#Caution should be advised when recommending Wikipedia as a name-space. For example, an article about Birmingham, Alabama, tagged with a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham would link to an article about Birmingham, England. Similarly, a tag using http://wikitravel.org/en/Newcastle will link to a disambiguation page.
*#Caution should be advised when recommending Wikipedia as a name-space. For example, an article about Birmingham, Alabama, tagged with a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham would link to an article about Birmingham, England. Similarly, a tag using http://wikitravel.org/en/Newcastle will link to a disambiguation page.
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* 2006-11-26 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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* {{OpenIssue}} 2006-11-26 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
*#There is a danger of encouraging users to breach [http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-meaningful-links WCAG 1.0 priority 2 guideline 13.6] "'''Clearly identify the target of each link'''". If a page has a link thus <code><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk">BBC</a></code>, tagging it with a link thus <code><a href="http://www.example.com/BBC" rel="tag">BBC</a></code> will result in two links on the page, both labelled "BBC", with different targets.
*#There is a danger of encouraging users to breach [http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-meaningful-links WCAG 1.0 priority 2 guideline 13.6] "'''Clearly identify the target of each link'''". If a page has a link thus <code><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk">BBC</a></code>, tagging it with a link thus <code><a href="http://www.example.com/BBC" rel="tag">BBC</a></code> will result in two links on the page, both labelled "BBC", with different targets.
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*2007-01-01 raised Jan 2006 by Ben Buchanan as [http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat]
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*{{OpenIssue}} 2007-01-01 raised Jan 2006 by Ben Buchanan as [http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat]
*#Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.
*#Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.
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Revision as of 20:43, 10 January 2007

Contents

relTag Issues

These are externally raised issues about rel-tag with broadly varying degrees of merit. Thus some issues are REJECTED for a number of obvious reasons (but still documented here in case they are re-raised), and others contain longer discussions. Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in the spec. Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — Tantek

Issues

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20070110 AB123YZ postcode:uk=AB123YZ upcoming:id=123456 upcoming:event=19876 upcoming:venue=14567 url=example.com geocoded geotagged geo:lat=52.3456 geo:lon=-1.2345
Is any work being one, to document such tag "schema"? Andy Mabbett 12:43, 10 Jan 2007 (PST)
<ul class="navbar">
<li><a href="#whisky" rel="tag">Whisky</a></li>
<li><a href="#wine" rel="tag">Wine</a></li>
</ul>
[...]
<h2 id="whisky">"Whisky</h2>
[...]
<h2 id="wine">"Wine</h2>
[...]

Need reformatting

These issues were mistakenly added to the rel-tag-faq and should have been put here in the first place. They need to be reformatted as issues.

Are tags case sensitive?

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Related pages

The rel-tag specification is a work in progress. As additional aspects are discussed, understood, and written, they will be added. These thoughts, issues, and questions are kept in separate pages.

rel-tag-issues was last modified: Wednesday, December 31st, 1969

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