From brian.suda at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 06:58:04 2006 From: brian.suda at gmail.com (Brian Suda) Date: Tue Dec 5 06:58:08 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg Message-ID: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> There seems to be an Hg Plugin for Trac http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial I know previously we had talked about just using the mailing list to track bugs for the Hg Repositories. I know i have been trying to keep of list of bug-fixes, feature request, and to do's for my XSLT files (sometimes more successfully than others). I have also been mailed on and off-list with ideas (not everyone is on the dev list and/or the discuss list). I think a system (Trac or others) might help with Open Requests. It would add transparency and accountability for some of these items, otherwise some of these bugs/feature requests will just fall through the cracks? Any thoughts for the developers out there? would a bug tracking system be useful for you to use and/or see progress from the developers? -brian -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk From connolly at w3.org Tue Dec 5 07:28:48 2006 From: connolly at w3.org (Dan Connolly) Date: Tue Dec 5 07:28:51 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165332528.3997.1878.camel@dirk> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 14:58 +0000, Brian Suda wrote: > There seems to be an Hg Plugin for Trac > http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial I have been curious about that for a while. I don't have 1st-hand experience with it yet, but I hope to. I have seen some really good trac sites that make good use of the integrated SCM, wiki, milestone planning, etc. But I think the Trac wiki feature will be tricky to manage along side the existing microformats wiki. I can recommend roundup almost without reservation. We're using it in the tabulator project. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/ A student set it up in a few days. It's sufficiently easy-to-use that we could keep it up-to-date as we were discussing bugs and features; we didn't have to scribble down notes and update the bug system later. I miss having integrated SCM and wiki now and again, but not that often. See some discussion of trac vs roundup in... automatically update roundup from SVN commit message http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue76 -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E From brian.suda at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 07:54:21 2006 From: brian.suda at gmail.com (Brian Suda) Date: Tue Dec 5 07:54:25 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: <1165332528.3997.1878.camel@dirk> References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> <1165332528.3997.1878.camel@dirk> Message-ID: <21e770780612050754k5ddcce4ct6609be9c2dce499a@mail.gmail.com> i'm not sold on any one bug tracking software - i would just prefer a centralized place specifically for bug tracing - as my availablity comes and goes, emails get filed and it is harder (for me atleast) to go back through the archives to find issues. But with the bug tracking is ONLY a list of issues so it is easier for me to "play catch-up" Plus, others can see if their issues have been assigned and/or closed. -brian On 12/5/06, Dan Connolly wrote: > On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 14:58 +0000, Brian Suda wrote: > > There seems to be an Hg Plugin for Trac > > http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial > > I have been curious about that for a while. I don't have > 1st-hand experience with it yet, but I hope to. > > I have seen some really good trac sites that make > good use of the integrated SCM, wiki, milestone planning, etc. > > But I think the Trac wiki feature will be tricky to manage > along side the existing microformats wiki. > > I can recommend roundup almost without reservation. > We're using it in the tabulator project. > http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/ > A student set it up in a few days. It's sufficiently > easy-to-use that we could keep it up-to-date as > we were discussing bugs and features; we didn't > have to scribble down notes and update the bug system > later. > > I miss having integrated SCM and wiki now and again, > but not that often. See some discussion of trac > vs roundup in... > > automatically update roundup from SVN commit message > http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue76 > > > -- > Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ > D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-dev mailing list > microformats-dev@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-dev > -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk From ryan at technorati.com Tue Dec 5 13:39:46 2006 From: ryan at technorati.com (Ryan King) Date: Tue Dec 5 13:39:50 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19F524AA-B0ED-4E95-85F5-0CDE8DC6DD71@technorati.com> On Dec 5, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Brian Suda wrote: > I know previously we had talked about just using the mailing list to > track bugs for the Hg Repositories. We'd also talked about using the existing wiki to keep track of bugs. I thought we'd settled on taking that approach for now. It'd be the simplest, easiest way to get started. If things get out of control, we can look at specialized software for this. -ryan From connolly at w3.org Tue Dec 5 14:01:35 2006 From: connolly at w3.org (Dan Connolly) Date: Tue Dec 5 14:01:37 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: <19F524AA-B0ED-4E95-85F5-0CDE8DC6DD71@technorati.com> References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> <19F524AA-B0ED-4E95-85F5-0CDE8DC6DD71@technorati.com> Message-ID: <1165356095.4211.6.camel@dirk> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 13:39 -0800, Ryan King wrote: > On Dec 5, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Brian Suda wrote: > > > I know previously we had talked about just using the mailing list to > > track bugs for the Hg Repositories. > > We'd also talked about using the existing wiki to keep track of bugs. > I thought we'd settled on taking that approach for now. OK, where's the list? > It'd be the > simplest, easiest way to get started. If things get out of control, > we can look at specialized software for this. -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E From progrium at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 09:50:58 2006 From: progrium at gmail.com (Jeff Lindsay) Date: Wed Dec 6 09:51:01 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I run a hosted Trac and SVN service called DevjaVu if you guys are interested. We don't support Mercurial yet, but since we're all fans of decentralized source control, it won't be long before we support it. But yeah, Trac is pain to manage and setup. Let me take care of it for you. :P http://devjavu.com -jeff On 12/5/06, Brian Suda wrote: > There seems to be an Hg Plugin for Trac > http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial > > I know previously we had talked about just using the mailing list to > track bugs for the Hg Repositories. > > I know i have been trying to keep of list of bug-fixes, feature > request, and to do's for my XSLT files (sometimes more successfully > than others). I have also been mailed on and off-list with ideas (not > everyone is on the dev list and/or the discuss list). > > I think a system (Trac or others) might help with Open Requests. It > would add transparency and accountability for some of these items, > otherwise some of these bugs/feature requests will just fall through > the cracks? > > Any thoughts for the developers out there? would a bug tracking system > be useful for you to use and/or see progress from the developers? > > -brian > > -- > brian suda > http://suda.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > microformats-dev mailing list > microformats-dev@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-dev > -- Jeff Lindsay http://devjavu.com -- Free Trac and Subversion http://blogrium.com -- A blog about things From ryan at technorati.com Wed Dec 6 12:47:07 2006 From: ryan at technorati.com (Ryan King) Date: Wed Dec 6 12:47:11 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <751CA783-00B3-4B34-A448-288A12ADD342@technorati.com> Thanks for the offer, Jeff, but I'd prefer to keep things on microformats.org -ryan On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Jeff Lindsay wrote: > I run a hosted Trac and SVN service called DevjaVu if you guys are > interested. We don't support Mercurial yet, but since we're all fans > of decentralized source control, it won't be long before we support > it. > > But yeah, Trac is pain to manage and setup. Let me take care of it > for you. :P > > http://devjavu.com > > -jeff > > On 12/5/06, Brian Suda wrote: >> There seems to be an Hg Plugin for Trac >> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial >> >> I know previously we had talked about just using the mailing list to >> track bugs for the Hg Repositories. >> >> I know i have been trying to keep of list of bug-fixes, feature >> request, and to do's for my XSLT files (sometimes more successfully >> than others). I have also been mailed on and off-list with ideas (not >> everyone is on the dev list and/or the discuss list). >> >> I think a system (Trac or others) might help with Open Requests. It >> would add transparency and accountability for some of these items, >> otherwise some of these bugs/feature requests will just fall through >> the cracks? >> >> Any thoughts for the developers out there? would a bug tracking >> system >> be useful for you to use and/or see progress from the developers? >> >> -brian >> >> -- >> brian suda >> http://suda.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> microformats-dev mailing list >> microformats-dev@microformats.org >> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-dev >> > > > -- > Jeff Lindsay > http://devjavu.com -- Free Trac and Subversion > http://blogrium.com -- A blog about things > _______________________________________________ > microformats-dev mailing list > microformats-dev@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-dev -- Ryan King ryan@technorati.com From ryan at technorati.com Wed Dec 6 13:42:03 2006 From: ryan at technorati.com (Ryan King) Date: Wed Dec 6 13:42:12 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: <1165356095.4211.6.camel@dirk> References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> <19F524AA-B0ED-4E95-85F5-0CDE8DC6DD71@technorati.com> <1165356095.4211.6.camel@dirk> Message-ID: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Dan Connolly wrote: > On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 13:39 -0800, Ryan King wrote: >> On Dec 5, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Brian Suda wrote: >> >>> I know previously we had talked about just using the mailing list to >>> track bugs for the Hg Repositories. >> >> We'd also talked about using the existing wiki to keep track of bugs. >> I thought we'd settled on taking that approach for now. > > OK, where's the list? AFAIK, no one's created it yet. I personally don't have any bugs to report (though I have some action items related to adding new tests, which I suppose could be tracked publicly). -ryan From scott at randomchaos.com Thu Dec 7 12:10:02 2006 From: scott at randomchaos.com (Scott Reynen) Date: Thu Dec 7 12:10:19 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Re: [uf-discuss] hrecipe examples In-Reply-To: <28D8C9FE-662E-46D6-9724-22C0BDD4EA7F@technorati.com> References: <002201c71a27$b80831e0$a7dd15ac@ds.corp.yahoo.com> <28D8C9FE-662E-46D6-9724-22C0BDD4EA7F@technorati.com> Message-ID: <97D04F1F-35DC-4B19-BE7A-469DA0BD10C0@randomchaos.com> On Dec 7, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Ryan King wrote: > On Dec 7, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Ted Drake wrote: > >> Are there any examples of an hrecipe encoded page? >> I realize it is still in development. I'd like to see if there has >> been any >> progress made and/or something to go by. >> >> I've looked at the twiki and there seems to be examples of recipe >> pages, but >> I don't see any hrecipe encoding on them. > > There is no hRecipe. There is research into a recipe microformat, > but there is no microformat (yet?). Earlier today someone asked about implementations for another in- progress microformat (species), and I was going to mock something up as a proof-of-concept, but there doesn't appear to be anyone testing out these ideas on the web. I realize I could make my own testing page and try out how parsing might work there, but I was thinking it might be useful to have some sort of sandbox where straw men proposals were put into HTML so parsing could be explored (with the understanding that the format proposal may completely change tomorrow). Is there any way to insert HTML directly into the wiki, without parsing or escaping, or somewhere else we could set up some sort of communal sandbox like this? Or maybe this idea doesn't make sense? Just a quick thought I had. Peace, Scott From andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk Tue Dec 12 13:54:57 2006 From: andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk (Andy Mabbett) Date: Tue Dec 12 13:56:21 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] 'species' examples (was Re: [uf-discuss] hrecipe examples) In-Reply-To: <97D04F1F-35DC-4B19-BE7A-469DA0BD10C0@randomchaos.com> References: <002201c71a27$b80831e0$a7dd15ac@ds.corp.yahoo.com> <28D8C9FE-662E-46D6-9724-22C0BDD4EA7F@technorati.com> <97D04F1F-35DC-4B19-BE7A-469DA0BD10C0@randomchaos.com> Message-ID: In message <97D04F1F-35DC-4B19-BE7A-469DA0BD10C0@randomchaos.com>, scottatrandomchaos.com@?.?.invalid writes >Earlier today someone asked about implementations for another in- >progress microformat (species), and I was going to mock something up as >a proof-of-concept, but there doesn't appear to be anyone testing out >these ideas on the web. I'd be happy to mark-up a couple of my existing pages that way, if that would help. >(with the understanding that the format proposal may completely change >tomorrow). Of course. -- Andy Mabbett * Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: * Free Our Data: * Are you using Microformats, yet: ? From connolly at w3.org Wed Dec 20 08:00:12 2006 From: connolly at w3.org (Dan Connolly) Date: Wed Dec 20 08:00:21 2006 Subject: [uf-dev] Trac for Hg In-Reply-To: References: <21e770780612050658g64b25c6axc884c02dd775f064@mail.gmail.com> <19F524AA-B0ED-4E95-85F5-0CDE8DC6DD71@technorati.com> <1165356095.4211.6.camel@dirk> Message-ID: <1166630412.9088.332.camel@dirk> On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 13:42 -0800, Ryan King wrote: > On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Dan Connolly wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 13:39 -0800, Ryan King wrote: > >> On Dec 5, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Brian Suda wrote: > >> > >>> I know previously we had talked about just using the mailing list to > >>> track bugs for the Hg Repositories. > >> > >> We'd also talked about using the existing wiki to keep track of bugs. > >> I thought we'd settled on taking that approach for now. > > > > OK, where's the list? > > AFAIK, no one's created it yet. I personally don't have any bugs to > report (though I have some action items related to adding new tests, > which I suppose could be tracked publicly). I coaxes a few concrete issues out of Brian in #microformats and started a wiki page: http://microformats.org/wiki/x2v-issues see also http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-12-20#T154234 -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E