[uf-discuss] Show Microformat Brainstorming

Tantek Ç elik tantek at cs.stanford.edu
Fri Dec 16 02:16:53 PST 2005


I am emailing you directly on this because it appears you have not received
earlier email sent on this subject.


On 12/13/05 4:19 PM, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" <supercanadian at gmail.com>

> Hello,
> On 12/6/05, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <supercanadian at gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> If you look at my weblog -- http://changelog.ca/ -- you can see a
>> couple XOXO lists where I list (some of) the shows I watch, and (some
>> of) the channels I watch.
> I've created a wiki page for showrolls at:
>   http://microformats.org/wiki/showroll-brainstorming


> Hello,
> I've started a page for the "show brainstorming" on the wiki.  You can
> get to it via:
>   http://microformats.org/wiki/show-brainstorming

First, please take a closer look at the microformats process.


A few comments in particular.

1. Jumping straight to a *-brainstorming document is premature.  There
should first be a *-examples document where *real* *existing* examples of
the content being published on the Web are documented.  Second there should
be a *-formats document where previous/current *formats* that attempt to
solve the problem are documented.  Neither of these have been created, and
the process page is quite clear about this.

2. As far as I can tell, this is nothing but a link to a piece of media, in
particular video.  This is ignoring (since it doesn't even mention it),
several existing standards and microformats:

 a. To indicate that the type of data being linked to is video, use the
appropriate mime type, e.g. <a type="video/mpeg" href="show.mpg">...</a>

 b. rel-enclosure handles the "download this" semantic already.

There is nowhere near enough justification for a new microformat for this.

3. AFAIK, there has been no attempt to work with this within the current
media-metadata or video-metadata work/research.   Rather than inventing a
new media related microformat, please first understand existing work towards
media microformats, and work within that research.


This has been requested several times in this thread.

Rather than creating new pages for a specific type of media microformat,
please instead work on the media-metadata-* pages.  There has been a lot of
thinking by a lot of smart folks put into trying to figure out
media-metadata (even just links), and ignoring that is blatant violation of
the process -- don't ignore nor reinvent earlier work.

I also noticed this: http://microformats.org/wiki/microshow

1. See above problems.

2. Please do not create a microformat page for something for which there
isn't even a strawman specification in the *-brainstorming page.  Shell
pages like this one will be deleted.



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