[microformats-discuss] Video Pop-up Link Maker

Lisa Rein lisa at lisarein.com
Wed Oct 12 11:02:48 PDT 2005

I agree entirely -- It's the videobloggers who this has to appeal too -- I
just want to remain compatible with the existing systems.

josh suggested something like this:

<a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
 <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />

i think that would be great! I'd start using the tool right away, and
encourage others to do so.

of course, "author" would be great too (it can always resolve to "creator"
on the back end, for those who need it to) - that's the point of my
"harmonization" suggestion -- and perhaps I could have made that point

As long as the objects are modeled relatively the same, one persons
"author" can be another persons "creator." (Personally, "creator" has
always made me chuckle -- like it sounded like it was coming from the
Ohmighty, er something :-)

anyway - let's keep going with this guys! I'd like to start implementing
to help put the ideas out there.

BTW -- I've seen a working hcalendar implementation -- and I done drunk
the koolade! (hee haw)

goes into the form here:



> Most commonly, videobloggers use very simple markup for their video posts.
> Here is a video tutorial from http://FreeVlog.org that teaches people
> how to use Blogger and OurMedia to create a videoblog: <
> http://freevlog.org/tutorial/post.htm >
> The way they teach it, you upload an image with Blogger and make it
> link to your video on OurMedia using the tools provided in the Blogger
> GUI: upload image, select image and press the link button, paste in
> the link that was copied from OurMedia and you're done without ever
> having dealt with HTML.
> This is not the most semantically structured markup in the world, but
> if you simply add rel="enclosure" and a few other attributes to the
> <a> tag, then you've got something like this:
> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
> rel="enclosure">
> <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
> </a>
> Some people embed the videos in their blog posts, but not many do that
> as it requires a greater facility with HTML. Not very many people use
> pop-ups like I've done here as it requires knowledge of javascript in
> addition to HTML, though I believe it makes for a better viewing
> experience on the web, not to mention I'm eliminating the need to make
> a new pop-up window for each video by allowing the video URL to be
> passed in dynamically:
> < http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/ >
> Perhaps some of these other elements like Creator, Duration, Date,
> etc... could be handled by wrapping this basic construct above within
> a <div> and including other Microformats inside, like hCard,
> hCalendar, relTag, relLicense, relPayment, etc.
> My perspective may also be slanted because I am thinking from the
> point of view of the videoblogging community, which has different
> concerns than most mainstream media outlets when it comes to
> publishing video online.
> When it comes to mainstream media, they tend to use embedded video,
> often streaming, and done in such a way so as to make it very
> difficult, if not impossible, to reverse engineer the direct URL to
> the media (as if to say, "you will not link to our video no matter how
> hard you try... we will destroy our own google ranking, thank you very
> much!").
> Porn video sites on the other hand probably account for most of the
> video content on the Internet (surprise surprise). They seem to use
> the basic videoblogger construct above... image links pointing
> directly to the video source.... at least that's for the free content,
> I'm not a paying customer so I don't know if the for-pay video is
> handled any differently mark-up wise.
> -josh
> On 10/12/05, Ryan King <ryan at technorati.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 11, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>> > Just wanted to share a small project I launched today... I modified
>> > the javascript hCard Creator to make a wizard to generate pop-up links
>> > for videobloggers. If there was a microformat for describing media I
>> > would be happily to incorporate it into this (rel="enclosure" is in
>> > there).
>> On the subject of a media-metadata microformat, here's what I think
>> is holding things up...
>> We have a good deal of coverage on previous (explicit) schemas/
>> formats. But, we don't (unless I've missed it) have any documentation
>> of implicit schemas/formats as expressed in how people (podcasters,
>> vloggers, etc) mark this stuff up.
>> David Janes has been working on this kind of research for blog
>> formats, it'd be great to have it for media as well.
>> -ryan
>> PS- The project's really cool. :D
>> --
>> Ryan King
>> ryan at technorati.com
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Lisa Rein

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