[microformats-discuss] Video Pop-up Link Maker

Tantek Ç elik tantek at cs.stanford.edu
Wed Oct 12 11:30:24 PDT 2005 

The <address> tag denotes the author/contact for the "page or large portion
thereof", that's just from HTML 4.01.  That's what indicates the
relationship.

What hCard adds to <address> are the fields/properties *of* that contact,
e.g. the name of that contact etc.

It's the combination of the two that achieves the net effect.

Thanks,

Tantek


On 10/12/05 11:19 AM, "Lisa Rein" <lisa at lisarein.com> wrote:

> Is the vcard information *always* going to denote the name of the author
> of the media object? Or would I nest the vcard information within the
> video microformat information itself, so the relationship would be
> implicit that way?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> lisa
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Lisa Rein wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree entirely -- It's the videobloggers who this has to appeal
>>> too -- I
>>> just want to remain compatible with the existing systems.
>>> 
>>> josh suggested something like this:
>>> 
>>> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
>>>  rel="enclosure">
>>>  <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
>>>  </a>
>>> 
>>> i think that would be great! I'd start using the tool right away, and
>>> encourage others to do so.
>>> 
>>> of course, "author" would be great too
>> 
>> <address class="vcard">..</address>
>> 
>> All the magic is already there. :D
>> 
>>> (it can always resolve to "creator"
>>> on the back end, for those who need it to) - that's the point of my
>>> "harmonization" suggestion -- and perhaps I could have made that point
>>> better:
>>> 
>>> As long as the objects are modeled relatively the same, one persons
>>> "author" can be another persons "creator." (Personally, "creator" has
>>> always made me chuckle -- like it sounded like it was coming from the
>>> Ohmighty, er something :-)
>>> 
>>> anyway - let's keep going with this guys! I'd like to start
>>> implementing
>>> to help put the ideas out there.
>> 
>> Please contribute any markup examples you have.
>> 
>> We need to persist markup examples on the wiki- for the benefit of
>> others in this community who aren't domain experts and as a defensive
>> measure in the future, so that we can show the entire paper trail of
>> developing the microformat.
>> 
>>> BTW -- I've seen a working hcalendar implementation -- and I done
>>> drunk
>>> the koolade! (hee haw)
>> 
>> There's actually a bunch of them:
>> 
>> http://microformats.org/
>> http://tantek.com/log/
>> http://www.corante.com/getreal
>> http://upcoming.org
>> http://evdb.com
>> http://eventful.com
>> 
>> Shall I continue? :D
>> 
>> -ryan
>> 
>>> http://we05.com/program.cfm
>>> goes into the form here:
>>> http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> 
>>> lisa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Most commonly, videobloggers use very simple markup for their
>>>> video posts.
>>>> Here is a video tutorial from http://FreeVlog.org that teaches people
>>>> how to use Blogger and OurMedia to create a videoblog: <
>>>> http://freevlog.org/tutorial/post.htm >
>>>> 
>>>> The way they teach it, you upload an image with Blogger and make it
>>>> link to your video on OurMedia using the tools provided in the
>>>> Blogger
>>>> GUI: upload image, select image and press the link button, paste in
>>>> the link that was copied from OurMedia and you're done without ever
>>>> having dealt with HTML.
>>>> 
>>>> This is not the most semantically structured markup in the world, but
>>>> if you simply add rel="enclosure" and a few other attributes to the
>>>> <a> tag, then you've got something like this:
>>>> 
>>>> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
>>>> rel="enclosure">
>>>> <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
>>>> </a>
>>>> 
>>>> Some people embed the videos in their blog posts, but not many do
>>>> that
>>>> as it requires a greater facility with HTML. Not very many people use
>>>> pop-ups like I've done here as it requires knowledge of javascript in
>>>> addition to HTML, though I believe it makes for a better viewing
>>>> experience on the web, not to mention I'm eliminating the need to
>>>> make
>>>> a new pop-up window for each video by allowing the video URL to be
>>>> passed in dynamically:
>>>> 
>>>> < http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/ >
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps some of these other elements like Creator, Duration, Date,
>>>> etc... could be handled by wrapping this basic construct above within
>>>> a <div> and including other Microformats inside, like hCard,
>>>> hCalendar, relTag, relLicense, relPayment, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> My perspective may also be slanted because I am thinking from the
>>>> point of view of the videoblogging community, which has different
>>>> concerns than most mainstream media outlets when it comes to
>>>> publishing video online.
>>>> 
>>>> When it comes to mainstream media, they tend to use embedded video,
>>>> often streaming, and done in such a way so as to make it very
>>>> difficult, if not impossible, to reverse engineer the direct URL to
>>>> the media (as if to say, "you will not link to our video no matter
>>>> how
>>>> hard you try... we will destroy our own google ranking, thank you
>>>> very
>>>> much!").
>>>> 
>>>> Porn video sites on the other hand probably account for most of the
>>>> video content on the Internet (surprise surprise). They seem to use
>>>> the basic videoblogger construct above... image links pointing
>>>> directly to the video source.... at least that's for the free
>>>> content,
>>>> I'm not a paying customer so I don't know if the for-pay video is
>>>> handled any differently mark-up wise.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -josh
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/12/05, Ryan King <ryan at technorati.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 11, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just wanted to share a small project I launched today... I modified
>>>>>> the javascript hCard Creator to make a wizard to generate pop-up
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> for videobloggers. If there was a microformat for describing
>>>>>> media I
>>>>>> would be happily to incorporate it into this (rel="enclosure" is in
>>>>>> there).
>>>>>> 
>>>>> On the subject of a media-metadata microformat, here's what I think
>>>>> is holding things up...
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have a good deal of coverage on previous (explicit) schemas/
>>>>> formats. But, we don't (unless I've missed it) have any
>>>>> documentation
>>>>> of implicit schemas/formats as expressed in how people (podcasters,
>>>>> vloggers, etc) mark this stuff up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Janes has been working on this kind of research for blog
>>>>> formats, it'd be great to have it for media as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -ryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS- The project's really cool. :D
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ryan King
>>>>> ryan at technorati.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>> 
>> --
>> Ryan King
>> ryan at technorati.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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> http://www.widehive.com
> http://www.lisarein.com
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