[uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

[Mike Schinkel]

Thanks. I subscribed to the page. 

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[mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin
West
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:28 AM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Mike, this is great.  I really like it.   Remember to check back and
make sure progress is happening.  Feel free to give me a nudge if I'm
unresponsive.

Ben

On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Would you mind confiming this on the to-do page under my name [1]?
>
> I added, see if it is what you were wanting...
>
> >> If it somehow differs from the suggestions there (under information
> architecture) would you please explain how it differs?
>
> Okay.  Note I did not change anything outside my comments, I just 
> added my comments.
>
> >> Also please list your specific suggestions, as well as, if 
> >> possible,
> where content for the pages you suggest may be gleaned,
>
> The current microformat pages (i.e. 
> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/) and any they reference. I think this
will become obvious during reorganization.
>
> >> and which pages would need new content that doesn't yet exist.
>
> I think any list I create on my own (beyond my first list, which is 
> just a starting point) will be ill-conceived and incomplete.  They 
> need to be gleened during the process of reorganization as a collective
effort.
>
> >> I think you may have illuminated the intent more clearly than it 
> >> has been
> explained so far, and so your refinement on the wiki would be very
helpful.
>
> Thanks for the ack.
>
> -Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of 
> Benjamin West
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:12 AM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for you suggestion.  I believe this is exactly what cgriego and 
> Andy and I have just suggested.  Would you mind confiming this on the 
> to-do page under my name [1]?  If it somehow differs from the 
> suggestions there (under information architecture) would you please 
> explain how it differs?  Also please list your specific suggestions, 
> as well as, if possible, where content for the pages you suggest may 
> be gleaned, and which pages would need new content that doesn't yet exist.
>
> I think you may have illuminated the intent more clearly than it has 
> been explained so far, and so your refinement on the wiki would be very
helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> [1] <http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture>
>
>
> On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree that the current layout is confusing. After reading several 
> > of these email I would like to make a suggestion that is smaller 
> > scope than an entire reorganization (which still might be a good 
> > idea.)
> >
> > Tantek suggests that "the specifications are not tutorials" and 
> > others have said that they (think newbies would be) interested in 
> > authoring, not the specification and I concur.
> >
> > What if we use a convention that the entry page (i.e.
> > http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard) would be an index into a list of
> > (psuedo) standardized sub pages so that it would be very people to 
> > find what is important to them. For example, is a list of potential 
> > sub
> pages:
> >
> > * Specification
> > * Tutorial
> > * Examples
> > * Use cases
> > * Reference
> > * Discussion
> > * Brainstorming (might be combined w/Discussion)
> > * Implementations
> > * Related Pages
> > * Further Reading
> > * All (Uses Mediawiki's "includes" to create a page including all 
> > sub pages; very useful for printing & reading offline)
> >
> > These pages would be located respectively at
> >
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Specification
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Tutorial
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Examples
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Use_cases
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Reference
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Discussion
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Brainstorming
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Implementations
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Related_Pages
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Further_Reading
> > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/All
> >
> > Please note I am suggesting an architecture not a specific list of 
> > sub pages. The list of sub pages should be defined by both reviewing 
> > existing information during site reorganization, and then via 
> > discussion on the list in an attempt to discover and extract which 
> > sub pages are needed for most/all microformats.
> >
> > Hope this is useful...
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
> > [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Benjamin West
> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:29 PM
> > To: Microformats Discuss
> > Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
> >
> > On 10/16/06, Justin Thorp <juth at loc.gov> wrote:
> > > Ben, I really like your idea of giving the wiki a better sense of
> > organization.
> > >
> >
> > Justin, thanks, but this isn't my idea.  Many others have expressed 
> > their ideas and desires as well.
> >
> > > Is it possible within MediaWiki to have some type of sidebar 
> > > navigation
> > with this site organization on it?
> >
> > Interesting idea.  Would you mind suggesting this on the to-do page?
> > You can create your own section or feel free to put it under mine.  
> > If enough people comment in my section, I'll split the whole section 
> > off as it's own Wiki Improvement section. Please add this to
> > http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Ben_West_.28bewest.29 under 
> > information architecture.  Be sure to leave your name.
> >
> > > I think this would help users to better find the information that 
> > > they are
> > looking for. For example, I am a user who could care less about the 
> > specification and cares more about how to write an hCard or hCalendar.
> > I want to see whats possible and some examples.
> >
> > So your first inclination is authoring?  What kind of websites do 
> > you author?  Are you more of a graphic designer or a web developer?
> >
> > If there were a landing page for a specific microformat (as Andy and 
> > cgriego have suggested.  I beleive I'm hearing more and more 
> > consensus on this.) that had large items such as:
> > * What is this?
> > * What can I do here?
> > * Show me a demo.
> > * Create an hCard
> >
> > Which one would look most promising?  If create an hcard went to the 
> > hcard creator, would this suprise you?
> >
> > > I didn't even see that there was a page on authoring within the 
> > > pages and
> > pages of specification.  Even with it at the top of the page.  I 
> > glanced right over it.
> > >
> > > It seems like most tutorials on hCard or hCalendar point people to 
> > > the
> > spec to get more information.  Should we be encouraging people to 
> > point to the authoring page?  I think a newbie would be very very 
> > very intimidated being pointed right to the spec.
> > >
> >
> > Call me sick, but this is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking to
> collect.
> > I've added it to <http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-feedback>.  Can 
> > everyone add their favorite complaint?
> >
> > Ben
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