[uf-new] title vs. summary (was: Third attempt at hAudio)

[Martin McEvoy]

On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 18:25 -0600, Scott Reynen wrote:
> On Jun 8, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Martin McEvoy wrote:
> 
> > I think at the time hCard was meant to be identical to the vCard
> > Standard in every way and mach the scheme defined in
> > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt there was no guess work or  
> > defining
> > or anything just well established standards
> >
> > for us to use title from vCard would mean that our meaning in hAudio
> > would have to match the title attribute in the vCard standard.
> 
> Right.
> 
> > the only other microformat that does use Title is of course hAtom  
> > which
> > is also built around rfc standards http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4287  
> > Atom
> 
> hAtom actually uses "entry-title."  While that has a similar meaning  
> to "title" in English, those two terms have completely distinct  
> meanings in microformat definitions, because microformats definitions  
> are by necessity more specific than English definitions.

which is why entry-title would not be suitable...

> 
> > this is why we cant change hAtom to suit our needs because it is based
> > on already well established standards.
> 
> Right, but if we can re-use existing class names without changing the  
> meaning, we should do so, as it makes things easier for publishers.

I agree strongly with this principle..

> 
> > Summary as Brian put it is the easiest fruit to pick from the tree as
> > most or the established microformats  hReview, hResume, and hCalendar
> > already use summary to mean exactly what we want it to mean.
> 
> There seems to be some disagreement over whether "summary" is  
> actually what we want it to mean.  I point this out not because I  
> personally disagree, but because addressing this disagreement is  
> required before moving forward, which I think we'd all like to do.

correct

> 
> > The discussion around re-defining the vcard title to mean what we want
> > it to mean may take a very long time to accomplish, and  it would have
> > to be via the microformat process.
> 
> Right.  I think trying to change hCard, one of the oldest  
> microformats, before moving forward with hAudio is a good way to  
> grind the hAudio discussion to a halt for a long time, so I think we  
> should do whatever we can to avoid that.

not that i think it is possible to change the meaning of title in hCard 

and yes this is exactly what I am suggesting we avoid

so what do we do? is the question, 

-Martin-

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