From inbox at gazshaw.co.uk Wed Jun 20 09:05:32 2012 From: inbox at gazshaw.co.uk (Gaz Shaw) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:05:32 +0100 Subject: [uf-new] Microformats for Sports Results Message-ID: <25ADBA3282C84FD69A7A94FDED4B37A7@gazshaw.co.uk> Hello, I wonder whether there is any mileage in adding semantic information to sports results. It would certainly help if search engines and other websites were able to relay live or archived results quickly. There are a number of applications for this. It would be particularly helpful for journalists and sports historians, but also sports club heritage and statistics websites. Cheers, Gaz Shaw From tantek at cs.stanford.edu Fri Jun 22 01:46:53 2012 From: tantek at cs.stanford.edu (=?UTF-8?Q?Tantek_=C3=87elik?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:46:53 -0700 Subject: [uf-new] Microformats for Sports Results In-Reply-To: <25ADBA3282C84FD69A7A94FDED4B37A7@gazshaw.co.uk> References: <25ADBA3282C84FD69A7A94FDED4B37A7@gazshaw.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Gaz Shaw wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder whether there is any mileage in adding semantic information to sports results. It would certainly help if search engines and other websites were able to relay live or archived results quickly. Relaying live/archived results is an interesting use-case. The temporal aspect could be published (and indexed) today with hAtom. http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom Do you know any sports results web pages that are at least doing that? > There are a number of applications for this. It would be particularly helpful for journalists and sports historians, but also sports club heritage and statistics websites. For the sports results themselves, do you have examples of what's currently published? Are they at least using semantic data tables? Thanks, Tantek From ian.html at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 20:51:18 2012 From: ian.html at gmail.com (Ian Yang) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:51:18 +0800 Subject: [uf-new] Is including profiles a must? Message-ID: Hi everyone, On the profile section ( http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Profile ) of the hCard page, it says content that uses hCard should reference the profile by using: or This content uses hCard. or Could you please explain the reason that including profiles is a must for using micorformats? Thank you very much. Kind Regards, Ian Yang From tantek at cs.stanford.edu Tue Jun 26 09:30:23 2012 From: tantek at cs.stanford.edu (=?UTF-8?Q?Tantek_=C3=87elik?=) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:30:23 -0700 Subject: [uf-new] Is including profiles a must? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Ian Yang wrote: > Hi everyone, > > On the profile section ( http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Profile ) > of the hCard page, it says content that uses hCard should reference > the profile by using: Note the "should" in that text. > > or > This content uses href="http://microformats.org/profile/hcard">hCard. > or > > > Could you please explain the reason that including profiles is a must > for using micorformats? Thank you very much. It's not a must, it's a should (as quoted), per RFC2119. In practice, most uses of hCard omit a profile reference. In the future we may figure out how to make microformats.org vocabularies automatically referenceable rather than using explicit profile references. Thanks Tantek From ian.html at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:57:15 2012 From: ian.html at gmail.com (Ian Yang) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:57:15 +0800 Subject: [uf-new] Is including profiles a must? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tantek. Frankly speaking, the current approach to reference microformats.org vocabularies is a bit inconvenient for user because it involves adding new attribute to the element or adding extra elements ( or ). So maybe you could make it like how microdata does it (ex:
). Regards, Ian 2012/6/27 Tantek ?elik > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Ian Yang wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > On the profile section ( http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Profile ) > > of the hCard page, it says content that uses hCard should reference > > the profile by using: > > Note the "should" in that text. > > > > > > or > > This content uses > href="http://microformats.org/profile/hcard">hCard. > > or > > > > > > Could you please explain the reason that including profiles is a must > > for using micorformats? Thank you very much. > > It's not a must, it's a should (as quoted), per RFC2119. > > In practice, most uses of hCard omit a profile reference. > > In the future we may figure out how to make microformats.org > vocabularies automatically referenceable rather than using explicit > profile references. > > Thanks > > Tantek > _______________________________________________ > microformats-new mailing list > microformats-new at microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new From tantek at cs.stanford.edu Wed Jun 27 00:07:04 2012 From: tantek at cs.stanford.edu (=?UTF-8?Q?Tantek_=C3=87elik?=) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:07:04 -0700 Subject: [uf-new] Is including profiles a must? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Ian Yang wrote: > Thanks Tantek. > > Frankly speaking, the current approach to reference microformats.org > vocabularies is a bit inconvenient for user because it involves adding > new attribute to the element or adding extra elements ( > or ). So maybe you could make it like how microdata does it (ex: >
). This is reasonable feedback and mirrors reasons behind the in-progress HTML5 "profile" attribute proposal: http://microformats.org/wiki/html5-profile Which with you could for example say:
If that's useful to you (to be able to explicitly state the profile/vocabulary you're using), then that helps provide incentive to continue iterating on html5-profile draft - please take a look at it. Thanks, Tantek > 2012/6/27 Tantek ?elik >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Ian Yang wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > On the profile section ( http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Profile ) >> > of the hCard page, it says content that uses hCard should reference >> > the profile by using: >> >> Note the "should" in that text. >> >> >> > >> > or >> > This content uses > > href="http://microformats.org/profile/hcard">hCard. >> > or >> > >> > >> > Could you please explain the reason that including profiles is a must >> > for using micorformats? Thank you very much. >> >> It's not a must, it's a should (as quoted), per RFC2119. >> >> In practice, most uses of hCard omit a profile reference. >> >> In the future we may figure out how to make microformats.org >> vocabularies automatically referenceable rather than using explicit >> profile references. >> >> Thanks >> >> Tantek >> _______________________________________________ >> microformats-new mailing list >> microformats-new at microformats.org >> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new > _______________________________________________ > microformats-new mailing list > microformats-new at microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new From ian.html at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 00:19:40 2012 From: ian.html at gmail.com (Ian Yang) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:19:40 +0800 Subject: [uf-new] Is including profiles a must? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tantek, Yes, that idea is nice as it lets users add references directly to elements which they use microformats on and don't have to modify the region. Hope that idea can be normalized as earlier as possible so we can start using it. Regards, Ian 2012/6/27 Tantek ?elik : > This is reasonable feedback and mirrors reasons behind the in-progress > HTML5 "profile" attribute proposal: > > http://microformats.org/wiki/html5-profile > > Which with you could for example say: > >
> > If that's useful to you (to be able to explicitly state the > profile/vocabulary you're using), then that helps provide incentive to > continue iterating on html5-profile draft - please take a look at it. > > Thanks, > > Tantek > >> 2012/6/27 Tantek ?elik >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Ian Yang wrote: >>> > Hi everyone, >>> > >>> > On the profile section ( http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Profile ) >>> > of the hCard page, it says content that uses hCard should reference >>> > the profile by using: >>> >>> Note the "should" in that text. >>> >>> >>> > >>> > or >>> > This content uses >> > href="http://microformats.org/profile/hcard">hCard. >>> > or >>> > >>> > >>> > Could you please explain the reason that including profiles is a must >>> > for using micorformats? Thank you very much. >>> >>> It's not a must, it's a should (as quoted), per RFC2119. >>> >>> In practice, most uses of hCard omit a profile reference. >>> >>> In the future we may figure out how to make microformats.org >>> vocabularies automatically referenceable rather than using explicit >>> profile references. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Tantek >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microformats-new mailing list >>> microformats-new at microformats.org >>> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new >> _______________________________________________ >> microformats-new mailing list >> microformats-new at microformats.org >> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new > _______________________________________________ > microformats-new mailing list > microformats-new at microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new