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2007-03-12T11:36:22Z

AbsaLoM: /* Examples in the wild */

<h1> hAtom 0.1 </h1>

hAtom is a microformat for content that can be syndicated, primarily but not exclusively weblog postings. hAtom is based on a subset of the [http://www.atomenabled.org/ Atom] syndication format. hAtom is one of several [[microformats]] open standards.

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== Draft Specification ==

=== Editor/Author ===
* [http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com/ David Janes], [http://www.blogmatrix.com BlogMatrix, Inc.]

=== Contributors ===
* [http://members.optusnet.com.au/benjamincarlyle/benjamin/blog/ Benjamin Carlyle]
* [http://tantek.com/ Tantek Çelik], [http://technorati.com Technorati, Inc.]

=== Copyright ===
{{MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2005}}

=== Patents ===
{{MicroFormatPatentStatement}}

== Introduction ==

hAtom is a [[microformat]] for identifying semantic information in weblog posts and practically any other place [http://www.atomenabled.org/ Atom] may be used, such as news articles. hAtom content is easily added to most blogs by simple modifications to the blog's template definitions.

== Semantic XHTML Design Principles ==
{{semantic-xhtml-design-principles}}

== Format ==
=== In General ===
The [http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#person Atom Syndication Format] provides the conceptual basis for this microformat, with the following caveats:

* Atom provides a lot more functionality than we need for a "blog post" microformat, so we've taken the minimal number of elements needed.
* the "logical" model of hAtom is that of Atom. If there is a conflict, Atom should be taken as correct.
* the "physical" model of hAtom -- the actual writing of elements -- is a lot more varied than Atom provides for, due to the variety of ways weblogs are actually produced in the wild. The hAtom microformat provides a number of rules for "bridging the gap"

=== Schema ===
Schema elements are based on the Atom nomenclature and follow the microformat pattern of prefixing a unique identifier (in this case, '<code>h</code>') on the outermost container elements -- the Feed or Entry. The parts of this microformat are based on analysis of many weblog, bulletin board and media posts and can be read [[blog-post-brainstorming#Discovered_Elements]].

The hAtom schema consists of the following:

* hfeed ('''<code>hfeed</code>'''). optional.
* hentry ('''<code>hentry</code>''').
** '''<code>entry-title</code>'''. required. text.
** '''<code>entry-content</code>'''. optional (see field description). text.
** '''<code>entry-summary</code>'''. optional. text.
** '''<code>updated</code>'''. required using [[datetime-design-pattern]].
** '''<code>published</code>'''. optional using [[datetime-design-pattern]].
** '''<code>author</code>'''. required using '''[[hcard|hCard]]'''.
** '''<code>bookmark</code>''' (permalink). optional, using '''[[rel-bookmark]]'''.
** tags. optional. keywords or phrases, using '''[[rel-tag]]'''.

Some required elements have defaults if missing, see below.

=== Field and Element Details ===

===== Feed =====
* a Feed element is identified by the class name <code>hfeed</code>
* a Feed element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.1.1 Atom feed]
* the Feed element is optional and, if missing, is assumed to be the page
* hAtom documents MAY have multiple Feed elements

===== Feed Category =====
* a Feed Category element is identified by [[rel-tag]]
* a Feed MAY have a Feed Category
* a Feed Category element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.2 Atom category] inside a [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#optionalFeedElements feed]
* Feed Category elements MUST appear inside a Feed element but not inside an Entry element
* the [[rel-tag]] <code>href</code> encodes the atom <code>category:term</code>; the link text defines the atom <code>category:label</code>

===== Entry =====
* an Entry element is identified by class name <code>hentry</code>
* an Entry element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.1.2 Atom entry]
* any microformat content inside a <code><blockquote></code> or <code><q></code> element within the Entry should not be considered part of the Entry.
: ''This allows quoting other microformated data without worry of corrupting the model''

===== Entry Category =====
* an Entry Category element is identified by [[rel-tag]]
* an Entry MAY have an Entry Category
* an Entry Category element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.2 Atom category] inside an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#optionalEntryElements entry]
* the [[rel-tag]] <code>href</code> encodes the atom <code>category:term</code>; the link text defines the atom <code>category:label</code>

===== Entry Title =====
* an Entry Title element is identified by the class name <code>entry-title</code>
* an Entry SHOULD have an Entry Title
* an Entry Title element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.14 Atom entry title]
* if the Entry Title is missing, use
** the first <code><h#></code> element in the Entry, or
** the <code><title></code> of the page, if there is no enclosing Feed element, or
** assume it is the empty string

===== Entry Content =====
* an Entry Content element is identified by class name <code>entry-content</code>
* an Entry SHOULD have Entry Content
* an Entry Content element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#atomContent Atom content]
* an Entry MAY have 0 or more Entry Content elements. The "logical Entry Content" of an Entry is the concatenation, in order of appearance, of all the Entry Contents within the Entry
: ''Many weblogs split content into multiple sections with a "Read More" link and javascript tricks. This is also needed in cases where Entry Titles are coded inline and are considered part of the content.''
* if the Entry Content is missing, assume it is the empty string

===== Entry Summary =====
* an Entry Summary element is identified by class name <code>entry-summary</code>
* an Entry Summary element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.13 Atom summary]
* an Entry MAY have 0 or more Entry Summary elements. The "logical Entry Summary" of an Entry is the concatenation, in order of appearance, of all the Entry Summarys within the Entry

===== Entry Permalink =====
* an Entry Permalink element is identified by [[rel-bookmark]]
* an Entry SHOULD have an Entry Permalink
* an Entry Permalink element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.7 Atom link in an entry]
* if the Entry Permalink is missing, use the URI of the page; if the Entry has an "id" attribute, add that as a fragment to the page URI to distinguish individual entries

===== Entry Updated =====
* an Entry Updated element is identified by class name <code>updated</code>
* an Entry Updated element represents the concept of [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.15 Atom updated]
* an Entry SHOULD have an Entry Updated element
* use the [[datetime-design-pattern]] to encode the updated datetime
* if there is no Entry Updated element,
** use the Entry Published element, if present
** otherwise the page is invalid hAtom

===== Entry Published =====
* an Entry Published element is identified by the class name <code>published</code>
* an Entry Published element represents the concept of [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.9 Atom published]
* use the [[datetime-design-pattern]] to encode the published datetime

===== Entry Author =====
* an Entry Author element is represented by class name <code>author</code>
* an Entry Author element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.1 Atom author]
* an Entry Author element MUST be encoded in an [[hcard|hCard]]
* an Entry Author element SHOULD be encoded in an <code><address></code> element
* an Entry SHOULD have at least one Entry Author element
* an Entry MAY have more than one Entry Author elements
* if the Entry Author is missing
** find the [[algorithm-nearest-in-parent|Nearest In Parent]] <code><address></code> element(s) with class name <code>author</code> and that is/are a valid [[hcard|hCard]]
** otherwise the entry is invalid hAtom

=== XMDP Profile ===
<pre>
<dl class="profile">
<dt>class</dt>
<dd>
<a rel="help" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#adef-class">
HTML4 definition of the 'class' attribute.</a>
This meta data profile defines some 'class' attribute values (class names)
and their meanings as suggested by a
<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-htmllink-970328#profile">
draft of "Hypertext Links in HTML"</a>.
<dl>
<dt>hfeed</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:feed from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>hentry</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:entry from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>entry-title</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:title inside of an atom:entry from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>entry-content</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:content from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>entry-summary</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:summary from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>bookmark</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:link (without any "rel") with an atom:entry from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>published</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:published from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>updated</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:updated from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>author</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:author from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
</dl>
</dd>
</dl>
</pre>

== Examples ==

See [[hatom-examples]].

== Examples in the wild ==
This section is '''informative'''.

The following sites have implemented hAtom , and thus are a great place to start for anyone looking for examples "in the wild" to try parsing, indexing, organizing etc. If your site marked up with hAtom, feel free to add it to the top of this list. Once the list grows too big, we'll make a separate wiki page.

=== 0.1 hAtom examples===
* [http://www.absalom.net.au Absalom Media] uses hAtom combined with hCard for articles.
* [http://www.joomlamug.com Joomla! Melbourne User Group] uses hAtom combined with hCard for articles.
* [http://www.volume.co.uk Volume] - Main news page is marked up as hAtom 0.1
* [http://yedda.com Yedda] - Yedda support hAtom on exploration of questions where there is also support for Atom and RSS feeds. ([http://yedda.com/questions/recent/ example])
* The [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/ West Midland Bird Club's] frequently-updated [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/new.htm What's New] page, [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/ladywalk/latest.htm news from its Ladywalk Reserve] and [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/worcs/grimley/latest.htm news from Grimley Pits] — comments welcome on my talk page [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
* [http://pixelsebi.com pixelsebi's repository] uses hAtom 0.1 for blog posts (and hCard, hCalendar, XFN, xFolk and many more) based on manual WordPress template modifications
* [http://www.geekinthepark.co.uk Geek in the Park] uses hAtom for the comments. -- by [[User:Trovster|trovster]]
* [http://www.csarven.ca Sarven Capadisli] uses hAtom for the articles and comments -- by [[User:Csarven|csarven]]
* [http://www.fberriman.com fberriman.com] uses hAtom 0.1 for blog posts (WordPress loop) and hCard throughout -- by [[User:Phae|Frances Berriman]] (Also - [http://www.fberriman.com/?p=86 Implementing hAtom: The Entries Code])
* [http://www.capital.edu Capital University] uses hAtom 0.1 to mark up the feed of latest posts by student bloggers on its home page.
* [http://blog.davidjanes.com Ranting and Roaring] (David Janes)
* [http://ChunkySoup.net/ ChunkySoup.net] has redesigned using hAtom 0.1 and hCards on the entire site -- by [[User:ChrisCasciano|Chris Casciano]]
* [http://sedna.spip.org/sedna/ Sedna RSS] (a feed aggregator based on SPIP, by Fil, IZO and others; GPLd sources are available at [http://zone.spip.org/trac/spip-zone/browser/_squelettes_/sedna SPIP-Zone])
* [http://members.optusnet.com.au/benjamincarlyle/benjamin/blog/ Sound Advice] (Benjamin Carlyle)
* [http://quotedprintable.com/pages/scribbish Scribbish] is a Typo theme which uses hAtom.
* [http://rbach.priv.at/hAtom2Atom/Changelog/ hAtom2Atom.xsl's Changelog] is published as hAtom and Atom.
* [http://federali.st/ federali.st]'s webbed Federalist Papers are each marked up in hAtom.
* [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/ Sandbox] is a theme for [http://wordpress.org/ WordPress] that uses hAtom.
** The theme is also available to accounts on the [http://wordpress.com/ <username>.wordpress.com] hosting service. The [http://blog.coworking.info Coworking] and [http://barcamp.wordpress.com BarCamp] blogs are examples of custom Sandbox themes.
* [http://www.whump.com/dropbox/Strangelove.zip Strangelove] is a modification of the default WordPress theme (Kubrick) with hAtom support.
** It points to the hAtom2Atom proxy service as the link for syndication feeds.
* All [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/ plaintxt.org themes] for [http://wordpress.org/ WordPress] now use hAtom. The themes are also coded for hCard compliance. The themes, by name, are:
** [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/barthelme/ Barthelme] (two-column, fluid), [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/blogtxt/ blog.txt] (two- or three-column, elastic), [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/plaintxtblog/ plaintxtBlog] (three-column, fluid), [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/simplr/ Simplr] (one column, elastic), [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/veryplaintxt/ veryplaintxt] (two column, fluid)
* [http://archgfx.net/blog/index.php/themes/disconnected/ Disconnected], a theme for WordPress, also incorporated hAtom with version 1.2

===Examples with some problems===

Entries may be moved here if there's a problem with the way hAtom is used on the page concerned. If the page is yours, and you want to improve it, see the [[hatom-faq|hAtom FAQ]], or raise any queries on [[hatom-issues|hAtom Issues]] or [[mailing-lists#microformats-discuss|the mailing list]], where people will be happy to help you.

==== Pre 0.1 hAtom examples====
These pages conform to an older draft standard and need to be updated.

* [http://www.myelin.co.nz/post/ Second p0st] (Phil Pearson)

== Implementations ==

This section is '''informative'''.

The following implementations have been developed which either generate or parse hAtom links. If you have an hAtom implementation, feel free to add it to the top of this list. Once the list grows too big, we'll make a separate wiki page.

* [http://dichotomize.com/uf/hatom/creator.html hAtom Creator] modified from the other creators by BenWest.
* the [http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/ Almost Universal Microformat Parser] can extract hAtom content from webpages ([http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.davidjanes.com&microformat=hatom&submit=Submit example])
* the [http://www.trinityanne.com/tools/greasemonkey/microformat-action.user.js microformat-action] [[greasemonkey|Greasemonkey]] script detects hAtom content on webpages and will call the [http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/ Almost Universal Microformat Parser]
* [http://rbach.priv.at/hAtom2Atom/ hAtom2Atom.xsl] transforms hAtom to Atom (as the name suggests.)
* There is now an [http://www.lukearno.com/projects/hatom2atom/ hatom2atom proxy] that uses hAtom2Atom.xsl.
* [http://placenamehere.com/article/185/SubscribingTohAtomFeedsWithNetNewsWire Subscribe To hAtom] is a script that provides [http://ranchero.com/netnewswire/ NetNewsWire 2.x] users with the ability to subscribe to hAtom documents as they would any other feed. by [[User:ChrisCasciano|Chris Casciano]].
* [http://boxtheweb.mihopa.net/code/apis/#outlineclasses Outline Classes] - has GPL'ed PHP code for reading hAtom
* [http://boxtheweb.4x2.net/ BoxtheWeb] - supports subscribing to hAtom as a feed format

== References ==
=== Normative References ===
* [http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/ XHTML 1.0 SE]
* [http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4287 RFC4287: The Atom Syndication Format]
* [[hcard-parsing]]

=== Informative References ===
* [http://www.atomenabled.org/ atomenabled.org]

== Work in progress ==
This specification is a work in progress. As additional aspects are discussed, understood, and written, they will be added. There is a separate document where we are keeping our brainstorms and other explorations relating to hAtom:

* [[blog-post-brainstorming|blog-post Brainstorming]]

=== Version 0.1 ===

Version 0.1 was released 28 February 2006.

== Discussions ==

* See [http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/referer.html blogs discussing this page].

=== Q&A ===
* If you have any questions about hAtom, check the [[hatom-faq|hAtom FAQ]], and if you don't find answers, add your questions!

=== Issues ===
* Please add any issues with the specification to the separate [[hatom-issues|hAtom issues]] document.

==See Also==
{{hatom-related-pages}}
* [[rel-enclosure]] - how to semantically reference enclosures (e.g. podcasts) in hAtom
* [[blog-post-brainstorming]]
* [[blog-post-formats]]
* [[blog-post-examples]]
* [[blog-description-format]] - how to describe a blog (as opposed to the individual entries, which is what we're doing here)

hatom-issues

2007-02-25T03:35:29Z

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= Cited example issue =

Andy Mabbett moved the Joomla! Melbourne User Group link to the "Examples with some problems" area of [[hatom]] and I was wondering what the problem is with it... as Operator and Tails have no problems identifying the hAtomised content.. which is why I'm confused by Andy's comments about no cited examples. Can someone please offer some assistance?

= hAtom 0.2 =

This section is for discussing what you'd like to see in the next version of hAtom, i.e. 0.2.

==Geo==
*2006-02-03 raised by Brian
*# We can use the [[geo]] microformat in [[hatom]] to represent GeoRSS element

== Relationship of rel-bookmark to url+uid ==
The concept of permalink is available in hCard and hCalendar as the classes url and uid. This combination matches the permalink semantics by indicating that the url should be derefenced to find a more dynamic or up-to-date version of the content, and that that url is a stable unique id that can be used to identify the content.

hAtom 0.1 uses rel-bookmark for the permalink concept. The current state of [[uid-brainstorming]] indicates that the hCard and hCalendar permalink concept is likely to be used in subsequent microformats. It may be important to reconcile hAtom with that trajectory. Possible reconcilliations include:

1) To leave things as they are. The two permalink concepts are to be kept separate.

2) Treat the two concepts as equivalent. Allow both in hAtom, and consider allowing both in other formats. eg <a rel="bookmark" href="http://example.com/"> would fill out uid and url values if they are not supplied explicitly.

3) Choose one over the other for hAtom and perhaps for future microformats also. "url uid" allows for some greater freedom (uid can be pointed at a non-url uid), but it is unclear at this stage whether that freedom is warranted or advisable to permit.

== Feed XXX (atom:xxx) ==

Template section: if there is something clearly from an Atom ''Feed'' that you'd like in hAtom 0.2, use this section as a template and replicate it in place here. See the hAtom 0.1 section below for more details.

== Datetime format (atom:updated and atom:published) ==
2006-05-23 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

Atom requires the use RFC3339 datetimes, while hAtom 0.1 does not specify which datetime formats may be used.

== Feed id (atom:id) ==
2006-04-01 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

atom:id is required for atom:feed. Thus it should be available in hAtom to.
The Feed permalink should be used as the feed ID.

== Feed permalink (atom:permalink) ==
2006-04-01 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

I'm proposing the following rules:

* a Feed Permalink element is identified by [[rel-bookmark]] at the feed level*
* a Feed <del>SHOULD</del><ins>MAY</ins> have a Feed Permalink
* a Feed Permalink element represents the concept of an Atom link in a feed.
* if the Feed Permalink is missing, use the URI of the page; if the Feed has an "id" attribute, add that as a fragment to the page URI

<nowiki>*</nowiki> feed level = inside a Feed element but not inside an Entry element

2006-04-03 [[User:ChrisCasciano|ChrisCasciano]] - I'm not sure that having a rel-boomkark-able link element at the feed level / to designate a feed in an html page separate for the other content is anything close to normal usage on the web, so I'd be very hesitant on suggesting this element "SHOULD" exist. I'm also curious when this element would link to anything but the current page (or some element on the current page) for this to be useful in the context of the HTML doc. I think taking the "id" on the feed is a more workable solution in most cases.

: 2006-04-03 [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]: I've replaced "SHOULD" with "MAY".
: 2006-04-24 [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]: Maybe we could simplify my proposal to:
: "''Use the URI of the page; if the Feed has an "id" attribute, add that as a fragment to the page URI''"
: IMO this would be good enough for at least 80% of the cases.

* 2006-04-12 [[User:DavidJanes]]: can we find an example of this in the wild and if so we should add it to the -examples page.

* [[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]] 00:05, 13 Apr 2006 (PDT) : since the link is going to be pointing to the home page for the item wouldn't [[rel-home]] make more sense? That's what I'm using in the XOXO Blog Format and my reasoning was that if hAtom ever defined this rel=home made the most sense for what you would add, because the feed's link is not to a part of the site by to the home of the site.

== Feed updated (atom:updated) ==
2006-04-01 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

atom:updated is required for atom:feed. Thus it should be available in hAtom to.
I'm proposing the following rules:

* The Feed Updated element is identified by the class name <code>updated</code> at the feed level*
* If no element with the class name <code>updated</code> is present, use the youngest <code>updated</code> from the feed's entries.

Algorithm:

<pre>
$a = array();
for each $entry in $feed {
if ($entry.updated)
$a.add(pad_datetime($entry.updated))
else
$a.add(pad_datetime($entry.published))
}
$a.sort_by( datetime_to_utc($element) )
$feed_updated = $a[0];
</pre>

<nowiki>*</nowiki> feed level = inside a Feed element but not inside an Entry element

* 2006-04-12 [[User:DavidJanes]] I like this. And the definition of "feed level"

== Feed title (atom:title) ==
2006-04-01 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

atom:title is required for atom:feed. Thus it should be available in hAtom to.

I'm proposing the following rules:

* a Feed Title element is identified by the class name <code><del>entry</del><ins>feed</ins>-title</code>
* a Feed SHOULD have an Feed Title
* a Feed Title element represents the concept of an Atom feed title
* if the Feed Title is missing, use
** <del>the first <code><h#></code> element in the Feed, or</del>
** the <code><title></code> of the page, or
** assume it is the empty string

* 2006-04-01 [[User:ChrisCasciano|ChrisCasciano]] - I think that the fall back to using the first h# on the page is dangerous.. depending on the pge it may be something that changes often (first h# is a post title) or is otherwise ambiguous. I would think using <code><title></code> before h# would be prefered if not the most common desire of the page author.

:: 2006-04-05 [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]: Okay. Deleted "the first <code><h#></code> element in the Feed, or"
:: 2006-04-12 [[User:DavidJanes]] Note also in support of this decision that many blogs use <code><h#></code> to encode the date for a group of postings

* 2006-04-12 [[User:DavidJanes]]: why <code>entry-title</code> for the feed title. Why not <code>fn</code> or <code>feed-title</code>?

: 2006-04-12 [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]: Sorry, this was a "copy & paste" mistake. Fixed now.

== Feed author and Entry author (atom:author) ==
2006-04-01 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

I'm proposing the following rules for Feed author:

* a Feed Author element is represented by class name <code>author</code> at the feed level*
* a Feed Author element represents the concept of a Atom author
* a Feed Author element MUST be encoded in a [[hcard|hCard]]
* a Feed Author element SHOULD be encoded in a <code><address></code> element
* a Feed MAY have more than one Feed Author elements
* if the Feed Author is missing
** find the [[algorithm-nearest-in-parent|Nearest In Parent]] <code><address></code> element(s) with class name <code>author</code> and that is/are a valid [[hcard|hCard]]
** otherwise <del>the Feed is invalid hAtom</del> <ins>there is no Feed Author</ins>

I'm proposing the following rules for entry author:

* an Entry Author element is represented by class name <code>author</code>
* an Entry Author element represents the concept of an Atom author
* an Entry Author element MUST be encoded in an [[hcard|hCard]]
* an Entry Author element SHOULD be encoded in an <code><address></code> element
*<del> If a Feed has no Feed author each Entry MUST have at least one Entry Author element</del>
* <ins>If an Entry is enclosed by a Feed and this Feed has no Feed author, each Entry MUST have at least one Entry Author element. If an Entry is not enclosed by a Feed and has no Entry Author:
** find the [[algorithm-nearest-in-parent|Nearest In Parent]] <code><address></code> element(s) with class name <code>author</code> and that is/are a valid [[hcard|hCard]]
** otherwise the Entry is invalid hAtom
</ins>
* an Entry MAY have more than one Entry Author elements
<nowiki>*</nowiki> feed level = inside a Feed element but not inside an Entry element

* [[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]] 00:11, 13 Apr 2006 (PDT) : feed should not be invalid hAtom if feed-level has no author -- it should be invalid if feed-level has no author AND one or more entries have no author. Also, one or more entries may be missing an author IF feed-level has an author.
: 2006-04-17 [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]: I replaced "the Feed is invalid hAtom" with "there is no Feed Author"

== Entry XXX (atom:xxx) ==

Template section: if there is something clearly from an Atom ''Entry'' that you'd like in hAtom 0.2, use this section as a template and replicate it in place here. See the hAtom 0.1 section below for more details.

== Entry id (atom:id) ==
2006-04-01 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

atom:id is required for atom:entry. Thus it should be available in hAtom to.

The Entry permalink should be used as the entry id.

* --[[User:Federico|Federico]] 19:52, 25 Apr 2006 (PDT): I would add "Only if the id attribute is not defined for the element that contains the entry". The id attribute can be a tag uri. If you use always use the Entry permalink as the entry id and the Atom feed uses tag uris, you would end with two different ids for the same entry.

2006-12-31 response by [[User:ComputerKid|Emanla Eraton]]

No, it shouldn't be a permalink. It should be a "tag:" id for entries.

== Author ==

=== author as an hcard is too much to require ===

The following 3 items were extracted from the conversation starting on irc with [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-03-24#T152248 logs available starting around here]

* [[User:Fil|Fil]] If, for example, you are programming an "aggregator" of news syndicated from many sources like in [http://sedna.spip.org/sedna/ Sedna], chances are that you don't control what "authors" look like; they can be nicely microformated (if coming from an mf-enabled system), but most probably they will be internally represented by a string that contains, in some random order, a name, and/or an email, and so on. If you want to pass on this information in an hAtom feed, you can't possibly reformat it to an hCard. But you still want to pass it on in a <div class="author"> element.
** [[Tantek]] I don't believe the "can't possibly" statement. Please provide a URL to a concrete example that you think you can't possibly reformat into an hCard so we can all take a look.
** [[User:ChrisCasciano|ChrisCasciano]] details of Fil's extraction [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-03-24#T153453 in irc logs] including sting data passed to his app in the form of "Béatrice XXXXXXX beatrice.xxxxxx@@zzzzzzzzz.com"
** [[User:Fil|Fil]] the example url was given up there (Sedna); note that the author information comes from syndication links; nobody is going to edit them to outline what is the name, what is the email and so on, as everything is flowing through automatically... so here the "author" data is dirty, and will not be cleaned into an hCard. We can force it to be in an hCard but it will be meaningless if the source (original data) wasn't built on an mf-enabled software.

* [[pnhChris]] i don't disagree.. the field often comes from places too dumb to follow these rules well; even cases like wordpress that allow users to present their name 1 of 6 or 8 difference ways (from username to LF, FN) .. its not just writing a template to output as hatom at that point... you have to go further upstream where the string to be displayed is chosen .. I also think its pointless to have 10 vcards on the same page whose only data is a generic name like "Chris"
** [[Tantek]] 10 vcards that are the same is pointless yes, but identifying who the author of 10 posts are is not pointless - that's the difference.
** [[User:ChrisCasciano|ChrisCasciano]] Agreed, but I still have concerns that "author" in hAtom does not always make for good hCards, though the situations where it does is optimal. My comments in the conversation were old comments I've made before over concerns and hardships or the lack of desire to make crappy data more portable, in neither of these cases do I think my two comments alone provide reasons to make change from the hAtom 0.1 spec
***[[User:Phae|Frances]] - Just thought I'd mention a scenario I have where the author of an entry does make a pretty useless vCard - the author in each case is an entire team ("creative team", "technical department") etc., rather than a specific, identifiable, person. Some use may be regained when URL to specific team/information is included, in this circumstance.
* [[User:Fil|Fil]] for the moment, to comply losely with hAtom 0.1, I will use <code><nowiki>My Name</nowiki></code> ; but it's not good
** [[Tantek]] You can actually simplify that (one fewer span) with: <code><nowiki>My Name</nowiki></code>

== Other Questions and Issues ==

General comments, modeling issues, algorithm issues, should have issues, etc. go here.

=== Entry Updated Required? -- Blogger Issue ===
The [[hatom|hAtom]] 0.1 spec states ''if there is no Entry Updated element...the page is invalid hAtom'' I have a real problem with this because I work with [http://www.blogger.com/ Blogger], where we cannot output [[datetime-design-pattern]]-compatible datestrings for our posts... We can output some different human-readable formats and we can output a nanosecond unix-timestamp, but the template tags will not output YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS+ZZ:ZZ no matter what you do... so how are we to resolve this so that Blogger blogs can use hAtom? -- [[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]] 05:45, 28 Mar 2006 (PST)

* [[DavidJanes]]: I'm not sure if anything can be done. My thought right now is just to put "x-posted" (or whatever) as the semantic class name and eventually hope that they'll adopted something more flexible. A while back there was a proposal that ABBR be used to describe a parsable version of the date string (for example <code>title="day month-name year, hour12:minute ampm tz"</code>) but I think this is asking too much from creators and parsers.

** [[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]] 00:15, 13 Apr 2006 (PDT) : I am currently just adding the appropriate classes even though the contents are not valid date formats. My parsers are more leniant anyway (using PHP's strtotime, so any format supported there will work), but that doesn't resolve the fact that my blogs ''cannot'' be parsed by other's hAtom parers as hAtom is now unless they too are so leniant.

=== 'MAY have multiple Feed elements' -- details and viability of multiple feeds ===
The [[hatom|hAtom]] 0.1 spec states the follwing two items about the Feed element:

# the Feed element is optional and, if missing, is assumed to be the page
# hAtom documents MAY have multiple Feed elements

I'm concerned about the implementation details of multiple feeds and that the current 0.1 spec isn't sufficient to define multiple distinct feeds in a single html document and that even if some of those areas were modified if there are real mechanisms out there to support a document with multiple feeds.

To provide examples of how multiple feeds might reside in a document under hAtom 0.1 I've created this collection of [http://placenamehere.com/mf/hatom_tests/ hAtom multiple feed tests]

Some of the questions that need to be answered (more details and some conclusions at a later time):

# Can a unique reference be made to each feed? Are there ambiguous references?
# Can a unique label or feed name be generated from each feed for the purpose of selection by the subscriber?
#* Using the feed title seems to be an option. It is likely (thought not guaranteed) that it is unique.
# What changes need to be made to the spec to make the publishing of multiple feeds in a document less ambiguous?
#* [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]] (2006-05-23): IMO the simplest soultion would be to require that each feed element MUST have an XHTML id attribute.
# What rules are needed for the detection, selection and consumption of feed documents so that people can select and maintain a subscription to the proper feed?
# How should a consuming application deal with potential changes to feeds found in a document over time (either id changes, additional feeds added, removal of feed, etc)? (this issue could be generalized to single feed documents as well)
# [[User:ChrisCasciano|Chris Casciano]] (2006-07-24): A good chat session on this issue can be found [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-05-25#T224929 here]

==== Draft Rules for multiple feeds ====
(2006-07-24): Written by [[User:ChrisCasciano|Chris Casciano]]

* If there is only one feed on a page spec+parsing rules from 0.1 apply
* If there are multiple feeds, each feed should explicitly define the root hfeed element with both class="hfeed" and a fragment identifier (id).
* Specific feeds can be addressed via their fragment id.
* If no fragment id is specified for a page with multiple hatom feeds then their content is merged via atom's SOURCE semantics

===== Discussion of Draft Rules =====
* Issue: what is the result of trying to address a feed at a non-existing fragment identifier? Same as no fragment id specified, or a not found error?
* Issue: for authors, is there any way we can control a redirect for a feed addressed via fragment id?
* Issue: are there any other long term management issues or other authoring considerations we need to think about for 0.2?
* Issue: is the reliance on class + id too strict? we may be losing other non-ambiguous constructs for sake of simplicity (e.g. roots are [1]body [2] hfeed w/id or [1] body w/ id [2] hfeed w/id)

= hAtom 0.1 =

'''This section is more or less closed, as hAtom 0.1 is out the door. If there are open issues that you are championing that didn't make it into hAtom 0.1, move them up above to the hAtom 0.2 section'''

This page documents the issues that have been raised regarding the [[hatom|hAtom]] draft during the course of its development, and the resolutions of those issues (often with accompanying opinions).

__TOC__

== Contributors ==
* Danny Ayers
* Robert Bachmann
* Paul Bryson
* Benjamin Carlyle
* Chris Casciano
* Tantek Çelik
* David Janes
* Ryan King
* Kevin Marks
* Scott Reynen
* Brian

== Feed (atom:feed)==

[[RyanKing]]: '''STATUS: RESOLVED - 'hfeed' and not required (a la [[hcalendar]])'''

=== Initial proposal ===

<code>atomfeed</code> (or rather, "atom-entry")

* [[DannyAyers]]: But what does 'feed' mean in the context of a HTML page? Doesn't the <head> element cover the corresponding semantics?
* [[DavidJanes]]: It is possible, somewhat common, and [[blog-post-examples#Multiple_EntryGroups_on_a_page|documented]], that multiple feeds can appear on a single page, so it's insufficient to depend on the header, even though this may be the default case. You'll note that I've left out documenting a lot of concepts relating to feeds at a conceptual level, except for noting they exist because I think this is a bit of a swamp that's going to need more thinking
* [[DavidJanes]]: I'm going to more explicitly recognize that the XHTML document ''may'' act as an implicit feed in many cases
* [[DavidJanes]]: A Feed is a group of related Entries; what defines the relationship is entirely up to the author of the blog, except to note that if they were to place them together in the same Atom syndication feed, you'd do the same in the XHTML
* [[User:DrErnie|Dr. Ernie]] 16:59, 25 Oct 2005 (PDT): This makes sense to me, the way vcalendar is optional since vevent is usually sufficient.
* [[Tantek]]: Ernie is precisely correct. The vevent/vcalendar :: entry/feed analogy is precisely correct.
* [[DannyAyers]]: The multi-feed point makes sense, but if this data appears on a regular HTML page the question remains, does "feed" make sense? (Maybe just naming aesthetics again)
* [[User:DavidJanes|David Janes]] I'm thinking about it more -- I think so, just to split the content of the webpage up (as opposed to blogrolls, headers, footers, etc.) --
* [[Tantek]]: Agreed with David. Not only does it make sense, it is a bad idea to consider renaming something like that for "aesthetics".
* [[Tantek]]: Per the root-class-name naming practices, we should seriously consider a more "unique" name, e.g. some possibilities:
** atom-feed
** hfeed

=== Alternatives ===

The above proposal was not fully accepted and some other possibilities were proposed:

* <code>feed</code> (Atom consistency)
* <code>atom-feed</code> (Atom consistency with prefix)
* <code>hfeed</code> (h* uF consistency)
** +1 DavidJanes
** +1 Tantek
** +1 BenjaminCarlyle
** +1 MarkRickerby
** +1 DannyAyers

==== Discussion ====

The feed is a root class name of hAtom, similar to "vcalendar" in [[hcalendar|hCalendar]], thus it should be fairly unique, per the root class name [[naming-principles]]. - [[Tantek]]

== Entry (atom:entry) ==

[[RyanKing]]: '''STATUS - RESOLVED - 'hentry' '''

=== Initial Proposal ===

<code>atomentry</code> (or rather, "atom-entry")

* [[DannyAyers]]: Why not simply "entry"? The parallel to Atom is clear, but in the context of a Web page, why add the reference? In case maybe you want to try for something approaching a string that won't get confused, my feeling is: forget it. Stick to the local semantics and let the doc-level (or HTML5 div level?) profile attribute disambiguate. Or to put it another way, it's premature to see a need at that point.
* I ([[User:DavidJanes|David Janes]]) chose the "atom" prefix:
** to disambiguate; it is just ''too'' likely that "entry" or "feed" would appear on a random webpage in some other context. My preference would be to have a declarative statement in the XHTML header which would render this argument moot, but at this point the community seems cool on the concept.
** to follow the naming pattern seen in the other compound microformats ([[hCard]], [[hCalendar]], etc.)
** because Entrys will not be required to be in Feeds (these rules and the reasons where this can happen will be forthcoming), I choose to disambiguate both
*** I don't like the analogy; I think this is more useful than just Atom, so it should be made generic. [[User:DrErnie|Dr. Ernie]] 16:59, 25 Oct 2005 (PDT)
*** [[DannyAyers]]: My point exactly, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if the prefix was there - not really more than aesthetics...
*** <del>'''STATUS - RESOLVED'''. We're going with "entry".</del>
*** [[Tantek]]: This is actually difficult to consider outside the following issue. In particular, if "entry" is to serve as a potential root class name (similar to "vevent", which may be a root of an [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] event, or may be present in the context of a "vcalendar"), then we should strongly consider "uniquifying" it per our root-class-name practices. Possibilities to consider:
**** atom-entry
**** hentry
**** vjournal (from RFC 2445 and thus borrowed in effect from [[hcalendar|hCalendar]])

=== Alternatives ===
The above proposal was not fully accepted. Other alternatives:

* <code>entry</code> (Atom consistency)
** +1 [[MarkRickerby]]
* <code>atom-entry</code> (Atom consistency with prefix)
* <code>hentry</code> (h* uF consistency)
** +1 [[DavidJanes]]
** +1 [[Tantek]]
** +1 [[BenjaminCarlyle]]
** +1 [[RyanKing]]
** +1 [[MarkRickerby]]
** +1 [[DannyAyers]]
* <code>vjournal</code> (reuse from vCalendar/iCalendar RFC 2445/[[hcalendar|hCalendar]])
** -1 [[RyanKing]] - though its a standard, it doesn't have widespread adoption

==== Discussion ====
* [[Tantek]]: Since feed is optional in hAtom (thereby implying the context of the entire XHTML document as the feed), similar to how "vcalendar" is optional in hCalendar (thereby implying a vcalendar context for the entire document), the entry can also be a root class name, similar to "vevent" in [[hcalendar|hCalendar]], thus it should be fairly unique, per the root class name [[naming-principles]].If we are deliberately rejecting "vjournal", then we may want to exclude the entire "vjournal" object (and any vjournal specific properties) from [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] so that we don't accidentally have two blog post microformats.([[RyanKing]] added this to [[hcalendar-issues]])Having analyzed the list of vjournal properties and their semantics and compared them with the list of Atom elements and their semantics, I greatly prefer the list and semantics from Atom over vjournal. Thus I would be ok with excluding vjournal from hCalendar, and pointing folks to use hAtom instead, even in the context of an hCalendar element that would otherwise be outputting vjournal entries. To that extent, once hAtom has stabilized, we should develop a mapping between vjournal properties and hAtom properties so that hAtom inside an hCalendar could be converted into BEGIN:VJOURNAL...END:VJOURNAL objects in an iCalendar/ics stream, as well as allowing for the opposite, so that one could even use an iCalendar-compliant authoring tool to create hAtom via the journal feature of said tool.

== Entry Title (atom:title) ==

[[RyanKing]]: '''STATUS - RESOLVED - going with 'entry-title, to be consistent with 'entry-content' '''

=== proposals ===

The title class is defined by [[hcard|hCard]] to mean "job title". Possible alternatives include (Please add to list):

* <code>summary</code>, as used by hReview, hCalendar, VJOURNAL
** [[Tantek]]: Though I agree with the reuse, in this context, it may be confusing for those reading/familiar-with the Atom specification. We may want to avoid the use of 'summary' entirely within hAtom.
** -1 [[KevinMarks]] (clashes with atom)
* <code>Subject</code>, as used by SMTP email
** -1 [[RyanKing]] - different semantics, doesn't fit
* <code>heading</code>
** -1 [[RyanKing]] - a replication of <h*> semantics in html
* <code>entry-title</code>
* <code>headline</code>
** +1 [[Tantek]]
** +1 [[KevinMarks]], as this is what they are most like in blogposts [[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]]
** +1 [[BenjaminCarlyle]], atom:entry/title only
** +½ [[DavidJanes]], atom:entry/title only
** +½ [[PaulBryson]], redundant?
* <code>title</code> (Atom consistency)
** -1 [[Tantek]]. Already defined to mean something else in [[hcard|hCard]]. The same term should not be used to mean different things.
* <code>entry-title</code> (Atom consistency, avoid hCard conflict)
** +½ [[PaulBryson]], clear=good / hyphenating=bad
* <code>fn</code> (attempt to re-use from [[hcard|hCard]] and [[hreview|hReview]])
** ±0 [[DavidJanes]] see my note below
** -1 [[Tantek]] (does not mean the "name" of the post/entry)
** +1 [[BenjaminCarlyle]], atom:feed/title only

=== Discussion ===
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: If one were to review a blog entry with [[hReview]] we would fill out the "fn" field with the atom:entry/title. This suggests to me that fn may be sufficient for this title usage. headline is more semantically specific, and does seem appropriate. It may be a line-ball call as to whether a new term is required, or whether the atom:entry context is sufficient to indicate the fn is also a headline.
* BenjaminCarlyle: Are we considering atom:feed/title in this discussion? There is some suggestion that atom:title should be "fn", separate to any value of atom:entry/title.
* [[DavidJanes]]: [http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt vcard] defines "FN" to be "to specify the formatted text corresponding to the name of the object the vCard represents". If we reject FN, are we not making too subtle a distinction that the atom:title isn't the name of the post? I'll also note that the [http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4287 domain experts] believe that the atom:title of an entry is pretty well the same sort of thing as the atom:title of a feed.
* [[Tantek]]: First, I have re-evaluated using "fn" for feed:title per the information from Benjamin, David and others. See [http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-post-brainstorming#feed_title this discussion for details].Second, I now agree with DavidJanes and the domain experts that the title of a feed is very similar (if not nearly identical) in semantics to the title of an entry, neither of which can really be considered a name. Thus I am -1-ing "fn" for title for entry or feed since it doesn't mean the same thing.
* [[DavidJanes]]: to summarize (I think), Tantek argues on the link above that atom:title can and does include more than the name.
* [[DavidJanes]]: we're now at the point where FN is the title of a movie, a DVD, and a book, but not the atom:title of an entry and definitely not the atom:title of a feed.
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: Entry and feed titles are both usually used as the name of the entry of feed, however examples exist where the entry title is [http://planet.freedesktop.org/ changed for republication] or is an auto-generated string (eg [http://www.advogato.org/person/cinamod/ date]). Headline is a good substitute at the entry level, and has a clear analogue in print. If headline is selected for entry a different term would be required for feed. Headline cannot meaningfully be used for a feed title any more than the name of a newspaper can be called a headline. Working back from the newspaper analogue, I am aware of the use of both name or title to describe the analogous text. In the absence of evidence that a feed's desired title is ever anything but a human-created name for the blog, my support falls behind fn for feed title only. The danger remains that someone will supply non-name data as "fn" in order to "get it into the atom:title element". For this reason I remain open to further naming suggestions and to any example in the wild where this might already occur.There has been some discussion that because the two are a single term in atom the domain experts consider the semantics to be the same. I suggest differently. The double use of title is inherited from rss, and has always been disambiguated by context. rfc4287 defines title as "a Text construct that conveys a human-readable title for an entry or feed", which conveys no useful semantics. Everything in a microformat is human-readable, and it isn't suprising that the semantics of title are equivalent to "title". To be honest, I would guess that the domain experts didn't give this issue a second thought.
* [[DavidJanes]]: '''RESOLVED''' Let's go with "headline". I'm not in love with it but so it goes. My thinking on this at this point is we won't find a good word that covers atom:entry/title and atom:feed/title and I like the idea of a (somewhat) domain specific word that captures the concept and (especially a big point for me now) it will make mixing hAtom with other uFs a little nicer.
* [[PaulBryson]]: I like entry-title for it's clarity. Unfortunately, I also feel that hyphenating names together in a string adds unnecessary complexity. In this case, it also adds a specificity that could be detrimental in the element's reuse. Headline feels redundant with "heading", which is what the element should be. Regardless, this is probably the best of the available choices.

== Entry Content (atom:content) ==

'''STATUS - RESOLVED going with entry-content'''

* <code>content</code> (Atom consistency)
** -1 [[Tantek]]
** +1 [[DavidJanes]]
** +1 [[BenjaminCarlyle]]
** +1 [[RyanKing]]
** -1 [[ChrisCasciano]]
** -1 KevinMarks - already too many in the wild
* <code>description</code> (vCalendar, hCalendar, xFolk, hReview attempted consistency)
** -1 [[RyanKing]] - content has a different meaning in Atom than description in vCalendar, hCalendar, xFolk, hReview, we should avoid the confusion
** -1 Tantek - agreed with Ryan
** -1 KevinMarks
* <code>entry-content</code>
** +1 Niall Kennedy (proposed)
** +0.5 [[Tantek]]
** +1 KevinMarks
** +1 [[ChrisCasciano]]
* <code>atom-content</code>
** +0.5 [[Tantek]]
* <code>hcontent</code>
** -1 [[Tantek]] - so far [http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-issues#Entry_Published_.28atom:published.29 all the "h..." class names reflect root class names] and this may be a useful convention to continue even if it is not a requirement.

=== Discussion ===
* [[Tantek]] - It turns out there is actually a very fine semantic distinction between the way "description" is used in vCalendar, hCalendar, xFolk, hReview, and what "content" means. In short, those other microformats are all "about" something else, whether an actual event in spacetime, or another item. Whereas in hAtom is the thing itself. The feed is the data is the item. Thus it makes sense use a different class name than "description". Based on our [[naming-principles]], lacking an existing microformat term for this, we should use a term from a standard. Since Atom uses "content", that is the logical name to bring over and use, whether or not it is "perfect" to capture the semantic we are trying to capture.
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: We may also have to consider forms of blogs that carry other media. An <a rel="content" href="..."/> form of content may also have to be considered, although this could still be embedded in a very short html content block. I'm not quite ready to commit to "content" yet, but I agree that description may be a little weak.
* [[ChrisCasciano]] - I'd be a bit cautious about equating usage of the content class in the wild with the specific usage you'd adopt here -- that of the content of a particular item or entry. As a deveoper I know I've used the term content to designate larger page sections or as synonym for content body (or that which is not header, nav or footer). In most cases my usage has been via ID which is safe (though perhaps confusing usages of similar terms) but I'm certain I've also used it as a class to free up ID for more specific information on larger sites.
* [[Tantek]]: Chris Casciano is right. Not only that, but note the [http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/classes.html Google HTML survey] of about a billion documents found that many web authors use "content" as a class name already, for whatever purpose they are intending. I have changed my vote to -1 for "content".
* [[Tantek]]: I have added a few proposed alternatives based on discussions with various folks. I also checked [http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=content synonyms for content] but didn't find anything worth proposing. I have split my vote among the new alternatives for now.
* [[ChrisCasciano]] - added hcontent per irc conversation a few nights ago. Not necessarily my favorite, but it should probably be on the table for discussion.
* [[KevinMarks]] - I think entry-content is OK - if we go by existing practice in blogs, post-body or post are common.
* [[ChrisCasciano]] - I'm behind entry-content as the least bad choice I've thought over.. atom-content doesn't 'read' generic enough for my tastes ('is it content for the page, or something just for atom export')

== Entry Summary (atom:summary) ==

'''STATUS - RESOLVED - going with 'entry-summary''''

The summary class is defined by vCalendar, iCalendar, [[hcalendar|hCalendar]], and also [[hreview|hReview]], to mean "summary or title". Possible alternatives include (add to list):

* <code>description</code>, as used by VJOURNAL. It may be possible to interpret description as text longer than summary which is about the entry content. The hierarchy of detail would be summary (atom:title) -> description (atom:summary) -> content (atom:content)
** [[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]]: description is used ambiguously by RSS to mean 'content' or 'summary', and by hReview and hCalendar to mean 'content'. Doing this would recreate that ambiguity needlessly, when Atom distinguishes it clearly.
** [[Tantek]]: Kevin's right, and not only that, "description" does NOT mean summary in VJOURNAL. "description" means "full description" in vCalendar, iCalendar, [[hCalendar]], and also [[hReview]]. We must NOT use "description" to mean summary.
* <code>summary</code> (re-use from and consistency with Atom)
* <code>content-summary</code> (Atom consistency avoiding hCalendar conflict)
* <code>partial-description</code>
* <code>excerpt</code>
** +1 Tantek
** +1 BenjaminCarlyle
** +1 DavidJanes, my only concern being that they're not always excerpts
* <code>abstract</code>
** +1 KevinMarks
** +1 Ernest Prabhakar: this is what my blog software calls it, and how I use it in my own blogs

=== Discussion ===
* [[Tantek]]: Excerpt is by far the most frequent (>80%) use of summary, thus it makes sense to name it as such.
* [[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]]: Disagree - Atom allows summary to be distinct from content, though this is less usual. However, by using a class that means summary (eg abstract) we can convey an excerpt by making it wholly within 'atom:content', or a separate abstract by putting it within the entry but not within 'content'
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: I have been trying to convince myself that atom:summary differs semantically from iCalendar summary. The "summary or subject" wording from rfc2445 is problematic, and it seems earlier microformats have taken the "subject" side. If we were to start from rfc2445 alone we might go the other way. In the end, though, webster.com defines summary as "covering the main points succinctly". atom:summary is not really consistent with that definition, so I'll swing my weight behind excerpt. On the subject of abstract, I think the semantics are such that "abstract" and "exerpt" are distinct (non-overlapping) sets. webster.com defines abstract as "a summary of points (as of a writing) usually presented in skeletal form". An exerpt is not a summary of points, and a summary of points is not an excerpt. I think tantek is simply suggesting that the 80% win in this case.
* [[Tantek]]: Benjamin is correct. The vast majority (easily 80%+) of summaries in Atom, when they exist are excerpts. In addition:
** WordPress user interface calls it "excerpt"
** MovableType user interface calls it "excerpt"
*: Thus, based on the principle of user-centered design (an instance of humans first, machines second) as well, in that a user *typing* into the "Excerpt:" field in the UI of their blogging tool, is communicating to the interface that "This is the ''excerpt'' of my blog post", "excerpt" is actually a ''BETTER'' name for this element than summary, or anything else for that matter. Atom should have chosen "excerpt" as well based on this reason alone.
* [[ScottReynen]]: I think there's a chance Tantek is mistaking cause and effect. Perhaps >80% of summaries are excerpts ''because'' two of the most popular publishing tools label the summaries as excerpts. Maybe we should be more sure WordPress and Movable type aren't actually confusing authors by using excerpt before following those examples.
* [[ChrisCasciano]]: The Textpattern interface also calls this field an excerpt.

== Entry Permalink (atom:link) ==

'''STATUS - RESOLVED - 'bookmark' '''

* <code>rel="bookmark"</code> (HTML consitency)
** +2 DavidJanes
** +1 Tantek
** +1 BenjaminCarlyle
** +1 KevinMarks

=== Discussion ===
* [[KevinMarks]]: I know this maps through to the atom name, but rel="bookmark" is the established standard for permalinks, and is included in the [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-links| w3c list of rel's], so there is an Occam's Razor case for using this.
* [[DavidJanes]]: I'd like input from everyone in this -- I'm torn really. Once I knock this thing into more of a complete state, I'll throw this out onto the mailing list for discussion
* [[DavidJanes]] Also, "link" is horribly generic and is in fact modified through the "rel" attribute in Atom.
* [[Tantek]]: Agreed with what Kevin wrote. Also, rel="link" doesn't actually make sense when you do the analysis as described in the [[rel-faq]]. The destination of the link is not really a "link" itself with respect to the current document/file.
* [[User:DavidJanes|David Janes]]: OK, I'm happy with this.'''STATUS - RESOLVED'''. We are using <code>rel="bookmark"</code>.
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: No real controversy here, unless you want to start giving blog entries or feeds vcards. A vcard could contain entry or feed title as fn, as well as url.
** [[RyanKing]] non-issue, you can always use both.

== Entry Published (atom:published) ==
* <code>published</code> (Atom consistency)
** +0.5 [[Tantek]]
** +1 [[DavidJanes]]
** +1 [[BenjaminCarlyle]]
* <code>dtpublished</code> (Atom consistency with [http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles#dt_properties dt unofficial pattern])
** +0.5 [[Tantek]] (want to consider it, while we can)
* <code>VJOURNAL CREATED</code>

=== Discussion ===
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: I would still like to see a clear engagement with [[last-modified-brainstorming|last-modified]] before voting on this one.
* [[Tantek]]: last-modified reflects the last time the page/file was actually modified, most likely by the user. IMHO it is a 1:1 mapping of the "Date Modified" of a file in a file system. It is a direct mapping of what date is shown for HTTP directory listings.published is defined in Atom quite differently from that, and among the alternatives it seems best to take the name from Atom precisely.
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: From the [[last-modified-brainstorming]] purpose statement, emphasis added. "To specify the date of publication and the date of modification of a web page (or a part thereof)"
* [[Tantek]]: Note that Atom chose to drop "created" which is much more reflective of what current file systems etc. support.The concept of "published" is distinct from a generic "created" notion, in that it indicates when the content was made public or made available to readers (even on intranets) which is often very different than when the author started typing the entry or even first saved the entry.
* [[DavidJanes]]: It's simple, it's clear, it's not being used it's not being used already. We can make [[last-modified-brainstorming|last-modified]] consistent afterwards
* [[RyanKing]]: I'm a bit wary of using someing so generic as 'published' for this. I need to go back throught [[blog-post-examples]] to see what conventions we have.
* [[Tantek]]: I have the same concerns as Ryan, and in addition, it may be useful from a parsing perspective to adopt a [http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles#dt_properties dt prefix convention] for ISO8601 typed properties.

== Entry Updated (atom:updated) ==

'''STATUS - RESOLVED - 'updated''''

* <code>updated</code> (Atom consistency)
** +1 Tantek
** +1 DavidJanes
* <code>dtupdated</code> (Atom consistency with [http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles#dt_properties dt unofficial pattern])
** +½ Paul Bryson, Not as human readable
** +0.5 [[Tantek]] (want to consider it, while we can)
* <code>last-modified</code>
** <code>VJOURNAL LAST-MODIFIED</code> (also HTTP)
** dtstamp
** dtupdated

=== Discussion ===
* [[PaulBryson]]: I would prefer to maintain some consistency with already existing date naming conventions, but acknowledge that these aren't as clearly human readable as they could be.
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: I would still like to see a clear engagement with [[last-modified-brainstorming|last-modified]] before voting on this one.
* [[Tantek]]: See discussion for published. Updated is closer to last-modified than published is, however, upon careful reading of the definition of updated in Atom, it is clear that the user has the option of not changing the updated date even if they change the entry, e.g. by fixing a spelling error or something. Thus there is an implied stronger meaning of "this entry has been semantically changed" that is a different enough semantic from last-modified as to justify a new name, and among the alternatives it seems best to take the name from Atom precisely.
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: From [[last-modified-brainstorming]] semantics:"Since both Atom and HTTP define the last-modified date (or its equivalent) as a "user-defined" value, this microformat should have the same semantics. In other words, the value should represent the last instance that the resource was changed in a way deemed significant to the publisher/author, which is not neccessarily the same as a file-system modified date-time."
* [[Tantek]]: They are both user defined values but *different* user defined values. It is VERY important to note this distinction because Atom chose to note it.In the 99% case, file-system, web-server (HTTP) context, the last-modified date reflects the last time the *user* modified the file or page, WITHOUT consideration for whether or not the user wanted that change to reflect a change in the last-modified date.Atom specifically allows for the exception that a user might not update the "updated" date, even when they change the underlying blog post, spelling corrections or whatever.This is in stark contrast to the traditional application model, where in a word processor, even if you change one character and save, you change the file system last-modified date, and hence the HTTP last-modified headers.
* [[DavidJanes]]: we can make [[last-modified-brainstorming|last-modified]] consistent afterwards
go back throught [[blog-post-examples]] to see what conventions we have.
* [[Tantek]]: Similar to comments on "published", it may be useful from a parsing perspective to adopt a [http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles#dt_properties dt prefix convention] for ISO8601 typed properties.

== Entry Author (atom:author) ==

'''STATUS - RESOLVED - 'author' required, should use <code><address></code>'''

* <code>author</code> (Atom consistency)
** +1 [[Tantek]]
** +1 [[BenjaminCarlyle]]

=== Discussion ===
* [[BenjaminCarlyle]]: I think an author concept is generally useful to microformats, so long as you can make it clear whether it is the author of the uf wrapper or the author of the uf content that is being described. I think any wavering over whether author and contributor are both required is probably a step outside the atom specification. This may be worthwhile, with an xfn-style external definition that could relate a person to a work... or even a rel-tag-based relationship. Can room be left open for both of these possibilities for future expansion, while still providing a clear author -> atom:author translation?
* [[Tantek]]: My point is that in practice (>80% case again), contributor is not used. Thus we should exclude it from hAtom in the first version. However, I am ok with ''reserving'' contributor with the intent that if it does somehow take off, we can add it later.
* [[RyanKing]] is <address> not sufficient for 'author' semantics?
* [[DimitriGlazkov]] I don't believe it is. The author of the feed and the author of the page (which is what <address> implies could be two different things. I just ran into this problem when trying to mark up a feed inside of a [http://fuzzycontent.com/index.php/2006/03/14/context-wants-to-be-free-too/ post].

== Entry Contributor (atom:contributor) ==
** -1 Tantek (see Discussion)
* <code>contributor</code> (Atom consistency)
** +1 Tantek
** +1 DavidJanes

=== Discussion ===
* [[Tantek]]: I recommend we postpone contributor from hAtom first version (thus the -1 before any choices), since the 80% case does not need "contributor". We should reserve the name so we can add it later if we need it (thus the +1 on "contributor").
* [[DavidJanes]]: '''RESOLUTION: DEFERRED'''

== Entry Geo (geo:Point) ==
* [[Brian]]: GeoRSS is away to embed geo-position information into an entry, it is NOT part of Atom nor is this directly part of hAtom. This is an addition that can add value to a post. Microformats has already defined a way to add [[geo]] position data into HTML it is possible to combine the two in a single entry.

=== GeoRSS Resources ===
* [[Brian]]: [[http://www.georss.org/ GeoRSS]]
* [[Brian]]: [[http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/02/google_maps_extension_for_geor.html Google Maps Extension for GeoRSS]]

== Questions and Comments ==

=== Limitations ===
* There seems to be nothing in the hAtom specification to supply metadata for the blog (title, description, url, feedurl). There is nothing defined for the encapsulation of comments, comment counts, or links to comment sections. The microformat would be much more useful with these capabilities added.-- [[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]] 03:35, 3 Jan 2006 (PST)
** We've deliberately restricted this to being a "blog post" microformat at this point to make the problem manageable. Once the core elements are defined, we will consider extended the spec to cover as much as Atom does. Also note that microformats are compositable, thus, all these things could potentially be defined elsewhere with detriment to this standard. -- [[DavidJanes]]
** [[RyanKing]]: '''STATUS:DEFERRED/REJECTED''': As David says, our scope is limited. After we can establish the core specification of hAtom, we'll look at adding more properties.

=== Relationship to hReview definitions needs clarification ===
[DavidJanes?] hAtom will define terminology for the general act of publication that overlaps with hReview's terminology for the specific act of publishing a review of something. The following terms could be pushed back into hReview:

* atom:published -> hReview dtreviewed
* atom:author -> hReview reviewer

[[Tantek]]: "Pushed back" is the wrong direction here.

The right direction is "re-use" by new proposals/drafts. If you see anything in hReview that appears to overlap this new specification, the first thing to do is to see if you can reuse those terms from hReview in this new specification, not vice versa.

In addition, "published" does not mean the same as "dtreviewed" (you might write a restaurant review just after you eat there, but not actually "publish" it until later). "reviewer" is also a more precise semantic than "author", thus the two should not be collapsed.

=== hCards ===

[[DavidJanes]]: Should hCards be required for the <code><address></code> of the Entry Poster? MAY, MUST, SHOULD? Your thoughts please.

RESOLVED: MUST use hCard for author.

* [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]: “MUST” or at least “SHOULD” because atom:author is specified as "The 'atom:author' element is a Person construct that indicates the author of the entry or feed." and <code><address></code>’s semantics are too loose to describe [http://atompub.org/2005/08/17/draft-ietf-atompub-format-11.html#rfc.section.3.2 an Atom person construct] but using <code><address class="vcard"></code> we would have pretty good 1:1 mappings:
** atom:name ↔ hCard’s FN
** atom:email ↔ hCard’s EMAIL
** atom:uri ↔ hCard’s URI
* '''STATUS - OPEN'''. "MAY" is the answer.
* [[Tantek]]: I think this should be MUST. Atom should have referenced vCard for these semantics and made the mistake of making up their own terms. Let's undo that mistake with hAtom. Also, [[hreview|hReview]] 0.3 has made hCard a MUST for the "reviewer" property, based on experience and [[hreview-feedback|feedback]]. Thus we may want to just follow suit with hAtom as well.
* [[DavidJanes]]: I had based the behavior on hReview 0.2. The problem is getting meaningful information into the blog templates and also I would appeal to parsimony, that is:<pre><nowiki><div class="author">bonehead</div></nowiki></pre>has an assumed defined mapping to<pre><nowiki><div class="author vcard">bonehead</div></div></nowiki></pre>Since in many cases we're not going to get much more information than that, why add the verbosity? I note an analogous situation in hCard, where N.* are not required because they can be inferred algorithmically.

=== Comparisons ===

This seems precisely analogous to [http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/xoxo-structure-ref.html S5]:
* atomentry <-> slide
* content <-> slidecontent
* summary <-> handout
I'm all for NOT boiling the ocean, but these really seem like the same cup of tea.

--[[Ernie Prabhakar]]

* [[User:DavidJanes|David Janes]]: See the [[#Purpose]] section above. Basically that drove the design decision for the naming'''STATUS - REJECTED'''. We're sticking with atom terminology (entry, content, summary).
* [[Tantek]]: As far as the analogy to S5, yes, there is an analogy, but that doesn't make them the same. The semantics that are represented are different enough to let these evolve independently and see if content authors want them to converge or not. Note that you can overlay hAtom and S5 in the same markup. Anyone that is serious about converging these should *try* using both at the same time in a *real* slide presentation example and report back their experience.

=== Repeated Elements ===
We allow certain elements to be repeated, such as Entry Permalink, Entry Published and Entry Title, even though there can be at most one real value. We provide "disambiguation" rules for sorting out which is the real value. See [[hatom#Nesting_Rules|here]], [[hatom#Entry_Title|here]], [[hatom#Entry_Permalink|here]] and [[hatom#Entry_Published|here]].

Your thoughts please... -- [[User:DavidJanes|David Janes]]

'''STATUS - RESOLVED'''. The spec has explicit rules for disambiguating all these items if they appear multiple times.

=== Opaqueness ===
If you have concerns about [[hatom#hAtom_Opaque|opaqueness]], that is, stopping interpretation below certain hAtom elements, raise them here.

==== Opaqueness of other microformat elements ====
How would we handle a case where someone wanted to provide a vcard under the class~=entry element for an individual who was neither author or contributor? Consider the hypothetical case where someone wanted to list their "muse" alongside article author and contributors. If this vcard included a title it might be included accidentally as an <atom:title>.

To summarise,
Is it possible that other microformats found under the class~=entry or class~=feed elements need to be considered opaque?

-- [[BenjaminCarlyle]]

* [[User:DavidJanes|David Janes]]: The issue of "muse" and such is somewhat out of scope. However, I grasp your larger point -- what if we wanted to extend or compositie hAtom in the future. Given the 80-20 rule right now, my feeling is to set aside the problem and if it arises, define a <code>class~="opaque"</code> element. --
* [[Tantek]]: See the [[mfo-examples]] document, and add further thoughts on this matter there.

==== Opaqueness of summary and content ====
[[DavidJanes]]?: What one publisher considers the entry content may differ from another publisher's point of view. Is the content simply a div that does not contain any author/updated/published metadata etc, or could some of that metadata be relevant to the content as well as the entry? Consider updated. [[last-modified-brainstorming]] introduces an idea of using <code><ins></code> and <code><del></code> elements to indicate update time. Updates are also often included in entry content with further information. This suggests to me that the line of opaqueness is blurry.

Perhaps content and summary should not be opaque, and instead rely on the [[mfo]] proposal to avoid parsing into microformats below the content level. This approach would allow a single div to contain both "entry" and "content" classes should all metadata be considered content by the author, or would permit any other subset of the metadata to be considered content without repeating one's self.

Consider also the "read more"-style blog. The following nesting of div elements is illegal under current opacity rules:
<code><div class="content"><div class="summary">...</div>...</div></code>

A further example is provided by _fil_ on #microformats, who uses the rel-tag microformat within his atom:content to be handled as tags in his feed reader.

=== Identification ===
The current spec under Schema:Nomenclature:Entry includes the text:
"if practical, also define id="unique-identifier" to the Entry"
What should be done with this id by parsers? How does this interact (if at all) with the interpretation of a rel=bookmark within the entry?

Also, how should a feed <id> element be filled out from a hAtom source document? Is a rel=bookmark at the feed level required?

The id elements in atom are supposed to survive all future movements of the blog to new hosting arrangements and the like. Are current feed URLs or even rel=bookmarks solid enough?

'''STATUS - OPEN'''.

=== HTML Title ===
Atom permits title to be either plain text or html. hAtom2Atom.xsl currently uses a plain text translation, and some feed readers seem not to handle html titles well (liferea does not normalize-whitespace, for example). Should a hAtom title element become a plain text or a html atom title? If so, should a subset of html be passed through rather than all html (including id, etc)?

=== rel-tag ===
Should hAtom use rel-tag for atom category elements? -- [[DavidJanes]]

* [[Tantek]]: IMHO yes.
* A version of this is currently implemented in hAtom2Atom.xsl, but the interpretation of rel-tag is not straightforward.
* rel-tag uses the last path segment of a URI as its tag, for example <code><a href="http://apple.com/ipod" rel="tag">iPod</a></code>. Human-friendly content is permitted within the anchor. Atom defines three attributes on a category element. "term" is the category in use. "scheme" is a namespace for this category. "label" is a human-friendly text-only version of the category.
* This looks like a clear mapping to me - term is last path segment; scheme is the tagspace and label is the text within the anchor? The problem is if the scheme + tag is not a true URL but a URI. So for your example, term is 'ipod, scheme is 'http://apple.com/' and label is iPod. [[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]] 15:03, 31 Dec 2005 (PST)
* hAtom2Atom.xsl does not currently supply a scheme. Label is taken from the content of the anchor tag, and no special handling for content such as the title attribute of an img element is performed. Term is the portion of the href after the last slash character.
* [[rel-tag]] permits url encoding for IRIs, as well as conversion of spaces to plus (+) characters. It is unclear whether the conversion of rel-tag data to atom:category/@term should attempt to reverse any such encoding. The handling of plus characters may be especially difficult to reverse (are the plus characters, or spaces?).

* They are spaces. If you want plus characters use %2B Perhaps I should add this to rel-tag. [[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]] 15:03, 31 Dec 2005 (PST)

=== Excess disambiguation rules? ===
Disambiguation rules apply to feed and entry title, and hAtom2Atom.xsl implements these. Rules also apply to permalink, published, and updated. These are currently not implemented. If they appear multiple times in the source document they are repeated multiple times.

It is clear that the data relating to these fields may be repeated within a hAtom entry, however the class notation may not. Only one element need be marked with rel="bookmark". Only one need be marked published, and one updated. Should the disambiguation rules be removed and only one element be allowed for each value, or is there value to the publisher in marking different elements with the hAtom class names?

=== Dependencies ===
==== mfo ====
Does this specification depend on acceptance of a hAtom-compatible mfo?
See [[mfo-examples]].

=== Is atom:content necessary? ===
Atom's structure is built up around separating content and other metadata. atom:updated, atom:author, and the like are separate from atom:content any may contain repeated data. Microformats are built around bringing the content and the metadata back together. Is there are genuine use case for identifying only part of the atom entry as content? Presumably the whole html entry is fit for human consumption, or it wouldn't be part of a microformatted web page. Could that whole html snippet be used as the content?

=== Published as default value for atom:updated ===
It seems to be common practice to include an "updated" section within the main blog content to track updates to an atom:entry as they occur. It is less common to include a value for atom:published within atom:content. atom:published is usually provided by a machine, but atom:updated is often provided by a human.

I suggest that if a value of published exists but no value for updated exists that the required updated field be filled out from the optional published field. I think this would make changing the required value of updated easier for publishers. Also, several updates may occur to a single entry. I suggest that a disambiguation rule be applied such that the the latest timestamp of any updated field be used if several exist. The overal parser semantics would therefore be:
# If multiple updated fields exist, choose the most recent one.
# If only one updated field exists, choose that value.
# If no updated field exists but a published field exists, use the published value for atom:updated.
: + 1 [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]]

=== Designating the page author ===

(2006-02-07 raised by [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]])

“[I]f an Entry has 0 Entry Author elements, the "logical Entry Author" is assumed to be the author of the XHTML page”

* How do I designate the page author(s)?
** <code>class="author"</code> outside of the hAtom entry?
** <code><address class="author"></code> outside of the hAtom entry?
** <code><address></code> outside of the hAtom feed (i.e. at the page level)?
* How do I designate the feed author(s)?

(2006-02-13 example by [[User:ChrisCasciano|Chris Casciano]])
There is a live case showing this issue at http://chunkysoup.net - The posts are now hatom'd but since I am the only author the individual entries do not repeast the info with each entry. I do have an hcard with my (the page author's) information in the fotter of the page, but at the moment it is not designated via the <address> element due to sematics/content. FWIW, it is also outside of the block designated as the hfeed.

==== Proposal ====
* If no author is found at the entry level try to use the author(s) at the feed level (i.e: <code>class="author"</code> at the feed level)
* If no author is found at the feed level try to use all <address>’s outside of the feed as authors.

== Entry Updated Required? -- Blogger ==
* 2006-03-06 raised by [[User:Singpolyma|singpolyma]].
*# The [[hatom|hAtom]] 0.1 spec states ''if there is no Entry Updated element...the page is invalid hAtom'' I have a real problem with this because I work with [http://www.blogger.com/ Blogger], where we cannot output [[datetime-design-pattern]]-compatible datestrings for our posts... We can output some different human-readable formats and we can output a nanosecond unix-timestamp, but the template tags will not output YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS+ZZ:ZZ no matter what you do... so how are we to resolve this so that Blogger blogs can use hAtom? I ask primarily because I am wanting to update my [http://blogxoxo.blogspot.com/2006/01/xoxo-blog-format.html XOXO Blog Format], which is based on hAtom, to comply with the new version of the standard -- and all my test-cases are on Blogger blogs...

= See Also =
* [[hatom|hAtom]] - the draft proposal
* [[hatom-faq]] - knowledge base
* [[blog-post-brainstorming]]
* [[blog-post-formats]]
* [[blog-post-examples]]
* [[blog-description-format]] - how to describe a blog (as opposed to the individual entries, which is what we're doing here)
* [[mfo-examples]]
* [[naming-principles]]

= Template =

Please use this format (copy and paste this to the end of the list to add your issues):
* YYYY-MM-DD raised by [http://yourhomepage.example.com YOURNAME].
*# ''Issue 1: Here is the first issue I have.''
*# ''Issue 2: Here is the second issue I have.''

User:AbsaLoM

2007-02-25T03:32:21Z

AbsaLoM: /* Examples */

==Overview==

I'm a content management system accessibility consultant, designer, retrofitter, with a bit of Flash and other rich media skills thrown in for good measure.

==Examples==

I've built a microformat codebase for [http://www.joomla.org Joomla!], based partially on the [http://www.wordpress.com Wordpress] [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/ Sandbox] design, and will be developing it further in a unique feature application stack.

User:AbsaLoM

2007-02-25T03:25:45Z

AbsaLoM: Overview

==Overview==

I'm a content management system accessibility consultant, designer, retrofitter, with a bit of Flash and other rich media skills thrown in for good measure.

==Examples==

I've built a microformat codebase for Joomla!, based partially on the Wordpress Sandbox design, and will be developing it further in a unique feature application stack.

hcalendar-examples-in-wild

2007-01-31T22:33:18Z

AbsaLoM: /* New Examples */

<h1>hCalendar Examples in the wild</h1>

This page is an '''informative''' section of the [[hcalendar|hCalendar specification]].

The following sites have published events using [[hcalendar|hCalendar]], and thus are a great place to start for anyone looking for examples "in the wild" to try parsing, indexing, organizing etc.

If events on your site are marked up with hCalendar, feel free to add it to the top of this list. Please be sure to include at least one URL of a page on your site that includes actual [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] markup. Examples added without the URL of a page with hCalendar markup may be removed.

Want to get started with writing an [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] event? Use the [http://microformats.org/code/hcalendar/creator hCalendar creator] to write up an event and publish it, or follow the [[hcalendar-authoring|hCalendar authoring tips]] to add hCalendar markup to your page of upcoming events or events you mention in blog posts, wikis, etc.

==New Examples==

Please add new examples to the '''top''' of this section.
* [http://www.joomlamug.com Joomla! Melbourne User Group] uses hCalendar markup for listing of all events.
* The [http://neatta.org New England Antique Tractor & Truck Association] (of all sites) has their 15 upcoming events marked up in hCalendar (as well as contacts in hCard and classifieds in hListing)
* [http://diarised.com Diarised] is a quick and simple online tool to help pick the best time for a meeting, uses hCalendar for meeting information.
* [http://etnies.com/ etnies.com] uses hCalendar on each sports home page ([http://etniesskate.com/ etniesskate.com]) and the [http://etnies.com/extra/calendar/ calendar of events] page.
* [http://www.mdas.org/ La maison des associations de Strasbourg] uses hCalendar on event pages.
* [http://nuggetshoops.com/schedule.php NuggetsHoops] , an NBA fansite, uses hCalendar for each remaining game in the current season.
* [http://wikevent.org WikEvent] aims to make it as easy as possible to put events on the web with semantic markup, including hCalendar for events and hCard for venues and artists.
* [http://fundyfilm.ca/calendar/ The Fundy Film Society] uses hCalendar for their calendar of upcoming film screenings.
* Psychology Press and Routledge's Behavioral Sciences' publishing division have implemented hCalendar on their conferences listings on 17 of their websites (example on the conference listing on their [http://www.clinicalpsychologyarena.com/resources/conferences.asp Clinical Psychology Arena])
* [http://jhtc.org Jewish High Tech Community] uses hCalendar on event pages.
*[http://www.gore-tex.com/remote/Satellite?c=fabrics_content_c&cid=1162322807952&pagename=goretex_en_US%2Ffabrics_content_c%2FKnowWhatsInsideDetail Gore-Tex "Know What's Inside"] tour dates in hCalendar by [http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Csarven csarven]
* [http://finetoothcog.com/site/stolen_bikes Finetoothcog] uses hCalendar to markup when bikes are stolen.
* [https://www.urbanbody.com/information/contact-us Urban Body Men's Clothing] uses hCalendar for business hours and hCard for business locations.
* [http://www.infoiasi.ro The website of the Faculty of Computer Science], "A. I. Cuza" University Iaşi, Romania, uses hCalendar to markup events.
* [http://www.crosbyheritage.co.uk/events/ Colin Crosby Heritage Tours] uses hCalendar to markup events.
* [http://www.facebook.com Facebook] use hCalendar to markup events.
* [http://www.newbury-college.ac.uk/ Newbury College UK] uses a smattering of hCalendar and hCard
* [http://07.pagesd.info/ardeche/agenda.aspx 07.pagesd.info] uses hCalendar and hCard to mark up events of the Ardèche département in France.
* [http://climbtothestars.org Stephanie Booth] announced the [http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2006/09/14/microformats-et-bloggy-friday-doctobre/ Bloggy Friday for October 2006] using hCalendar.
* The [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/ West Midland Bird Club], in the English Midlands, uses hCal (with nested hCard) on its [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/ diary of birding events].
* [http://www.comtec-ars.com/press-releases/ ComTec audience response systems' press releases] use hCalendar as a method to organize by title and date.
* [http://webdirections.org/program/ The Web Directions Conference (Sydney Australia)] uses hCalendar for their program. It uses axis and headers for events in a table, and demonstrates how easy it is to make the whole thing downloadable using X2V.
* [http://www.thestreet.org.au/ The Street Theatre (Canberra, Australia)] now uses hCalendar for performances on its [http://www.thestreet.org.au/whats_on.htm What's On] page.
* [http://www.clacksweb.org.uk Clackmannanshire Council] uses hCalendar on its [http://www.clacksweb.org.uk/community/events/ event diary] listing pages and individual event pages.
* [http://www.markthisdate.com/ Calendarportal MarkThisDate.com] now uses hCalendar for all calendars. On our website visitors can add calendars and download calendars to Outlook, Lotus Notes, iCal, Netvibes, 30Boxes, Google Calendar and many others. Over 600 calendars were already uploaded.
* [http://mogue.jp/ mogue] uses hCalendar at [http://mogue.jp/event/1000/ event detail] pages.
* [http://www.gustavus.edu/events/nobelconference/2006/schedule.cfm 2006 Nobel Conference] uses hCalendar for the conference schedule
* [http://www.geekinthepark.co.uk Geek in the Park] uses hCalendar for the event information. -- by [[User:Trovster|trovster]]
* [http://www.besancon.fr/ official site of Besançon (France)] for its events
* [http://2006.dconstruct.org/schedule/ Conference schedule for d.Construct 2006] is published using hCalendar.
* [http://local.yahoo.com Yahoo Local] now supports hCalendar
* We used hcalendar for the [http://www.fuckparade.org/flyer/2006/ F’parade flyer 2006], a counter demonstration to the Love Parade in Berlin, alas the '''Firefox tails extension''' doesn't get a summary when it's an alt-text in an image.
* [http://www.harper-adams.ac.uk/press/events.cfm Harper Adams University College] uses hCalendar to mark up all University events on the Homepage and Events Calendar page.
* [http://www.capital.edu/ Capital University] uses hCalendar on multiple pages to provide feeds of events, relevant to page content
* [http://www.thesession.org/events/ The Session events] uses hCalendar to mark up concerts, festivals and workshops related to Irish traditional music.
* [http://rubyandrails.org/usergroups/newcastle ncl.rb] uses hCalendar to mark up new meetings.
* [http://gross.org.za/calendar GROSSUG Calendar] - Uses hCalendar to mark up meetings and other events.
* [http://www.webanalyticsassociation.org/en/calendarevents/search.asp Web Analytics Association] - hCalendar microformat is in place on all Tendenci sites on the calendar events search page and consolidated list page.
* [http://www.tendenci.com/en/calendarevents/search.asp Tendenci Calendar Events] with hCalendar
* [http://www.argolon.com/2006/04/17/web20-conference-in-dublin/ Web2.0 Conference in Dublin] hCalendar event
* [http://www.meetup.com/ Meetup.com] has marked up [http://www.meetup.com/cities/us/ny/new_york city event calendars], [http://photo.meetup.com/100/events/ group event lists], and [http://www.meetup.com/ signed-in homepages] with hCalendar.
* [http://ukwindsurfing.com/ ukwindsurfing.com] has marked upcoming events with hCalendar, and the [http://ukwindsurfing.com/events/ events page] in a table.
* [http://ocono.com/ ocono.com] has marked up it's "Upcoming Events" list with hCalendar.
* [http://www.austinbloggers.org/ Austin Bloggers] has marked up their "Upcoming Events" box with hCalendar ([http://www.austinbloggers.org/blog/a/001123.html announcement]).
* Ning's cloneable Group app has [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] markup on its [http://group.ning.com/index.php?controller=event&action=list event calendar] and [http://group.ning.com/index.php?controller=event&action=view&id=727220 event detail] pages.
* [http://tantek.com/microformats/2006/03-01-TechPlenAgenda.html Agenda: W3C Technical Plenary Day, March 1 2006] has [[hcard|hCard]] and [[hcalendar|hCalendar]] markup. ([http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html original here]).
* The National Arbor Day Foundation has started using hCalendars for their [http://arborday.org/programs/conferences/communityforestry/index.cfm upcoming] [http://arborday.org/programs/conferences/hazardtrees-treeplanting/ conferences].
* [http://www.stateofflux.com/ State of Flux street art site] has started adding events in hCalendar format
* The [http://barcamp.org/#BarCamps BarCamp home page lists upcoming BarCamps marked up with hCalendar] and even has a "Subscribe..." link.
* [http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html 2006 W3C Technical Plenary Week] has marked up the schedule and events for the week with hCalendar.
* [http://www.code4lib.org/2006/schedule code4lib Conference 2006 Schedule] is marked up with hCalendar as [http://www.code4lib.org/node/65 announced on their blog].
* [http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/754 IEEE 754 Working Group] - trying hCalendar for upcoming meetings.
* [http://www.pehuen.org/node/494 Elecciones 2005 Chile] - the first spanish language hCalendar event found in the wild.
* [http://www.codewitch.org/it/2005/11/17/no-creative-commons-no-party/ Giocolando » No Creative Commons? No Party!] is marked up with hCalendar
* [http://www.cmprofessionals.org/events/calendar.html CM Pros Events Calendar] by Bob Doyle
* [http://www.midgard-project.org/community/events/ Midgard CMS Event calendar] - as [http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/new-event-calendar-for-midcom.html blogged by Henri Bergius]
* [http://www.iowamilitaryveteransband.com/schedule/ Iowa Military Veterans Band Schedule] - hCalendar markup [http://weblog.randomchaos.com/archive/2005/10/24/Microformats/ added by Scott Reynen]
* [http://www.funfairgames.net/weblog/posts/00000011.html Upcoming events on Jason A.R. Moody Amusements Weblog] posted by Jason Moody on 15 Oct 2005. [http://www.funfairgames.net/weblog/index.html His weblog] in general has hCalendar events posted inside the blog posts.
* [http://tantek.com/microformats/2005/syndicate/tracks-sessions-schedule.html Syndicate - Tracks & Sessions]
* [http://tantek.com/microformats/2005/web2/program.html Web 2.0 Conference schedule page marked up with hCalendar]
* [http://www.thisiscmon.com/ C'MON] is a rock band from Canada, and their [http://www.thisiscmon.com/shows/ tour dates] have been marked up by [http://www.d2digitalmedia.com/ Ray Dickman] with hCalendar.
* [http://ifreebusy.com/ ifreebusy.com] will display freebusy information using hCalendar. See this [http://ifreebusy.com/neiljensen/freebusy/ example].
* [http://we05.com/ Web Essentials 05] has marked up their [http://we05.com/program.cfm program schedule table with hCalendar], using the 'axis' and 'headers' attributes.
* [http://www.asdvbonaparte.nl/ ASDV Bonaparte] is a Dutch debating society. Their events calendar has been marked up with the hCalendar conventions.
* [http://chocnvodka.blogware.com/blog Suw Charman] has marked up [http://suw.org.uk/archives/category/events/ her events] with hCalendar.
* [http://www.blogbusinesssummit.com/ Blog Business Summit] has published their [http://www.blogbusinesssummit.com/details.htm event details] marked up with hCalendar.
* [http://eventful.com Eventful.com] publishes all events with hCalendar and venues with [[hcard|hCard]]. Took them only 15 minutes to implement both! Their Atom feeds also contain hCalendar/hCard.
* [http://upcoming.org Upcoming.org] publishes all events and lists of events with hCalendar. Took them only an hour to add hCalendar support to the site.
* The [http://laughingsquid.com/squidlist/calendar/ Laughing Squid Calendar] events, [http://laughingsquid.com/squidlist/calendar/9949/2005/5/9 e.g. this party], now supports hCalendar.
* [http://paulschreiber.com/ Paul] Schreiber's [http://concerts.shrub.ca/ Sunnyvale House Concerts] site publishes hCalendar event information for upcoming concerts. In addition the [http://concerts.shrub.ca/shows Past Shows] page contains hCalendar events for all past concerts.
* [http://www.complexspiral.com/ Complex Spiral Consulting], both in the "Events" box on left side, and the separate [http://www.complexspiral.com/events/ Events page].
* [http://tantek.com/log Tantek's Thoughts], specifically the "Events" roll in the right-most column.
* [http://suda.co.uk/projects/holidays/ Lesser Known Holidays], a list of holidays on [http://suda.co.uk suda.co.uk] that can be imported via iCal and hCal so you can compare actual transformation versus intended.
* [http://norman.walsh.name/2005/itinerary/ Norm Walsh's travel schedule] use hCalendar as well as GRDDL.
* [http://www.policyawareweb.org/2005/ftf2/paw-mtg Policy Aware Web (PAW) Project Meeting] uses hCalendar to record date-related decisions, and uses a vtodo microformat to record action items.
* The [http://lufgi4.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Laboratory for Dependable Distributed Systems] publishes it's [http://lufgi4.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/cfps list of notable CfPs on dependability and security] with hCalendar-todo elements.
* The [http://laughingsquid.com/laughing-squid-10th-anniversary-party/ Laughing Squid 10th Anniversary Party] has an hcalendar page.
* SPRACI has hcalendar versions of its nightlife/clubbing/gigs/festivals listings for many cities worldwide - eg: [http://www.spraci.com/listhcalendar.php?parea=sydney&category=all Events in Sydney] (check the [http://www.spraci.com/api/ API] pages in the faq section of [http://www.spraci.com/ SPRACI] for more info about the area/city keywords and category tags to use to get data for your city/categories
* WWF-Australia events calendars: [http://wwf.org.au/act/events/ What's on], [http://wwf.org.au/act/volunteer/ Volunteer]
* [http://rubyholic.com rubyholic] uses hCalendar to publish calendars for ruby groups.
* [http://www.bath.ac.uk/whats-on/ University of Bath What's On] uses hCalendar on individual event pages
* The [http://www.kiez-ev.de/ Kiez] is a small cinema and has published its [http://www.kiez-ev.de/programm program] marked up with hCalendar

===World Cup Kick-off===
* [http://www.worldcupkickoff.com/ World Cup KickOff] where you can download and keep all the fixtures you are interested in so you will never miss a single game of the 2006 football World Cup!
** This link was on the [http://www.lifehacker.com/software/sports/world-cup-start-times-for-ical-etc-175393.php Lifehackers site] and made its way to the yahoo news site:

<blockquote>
Mon May 22, 4:00 PM ET
The World Cup, one of the world's most watched sporting events, is almost upon us. If you've ever tried to follow your favorite team through the Cup you know that it can sometimes be difficult to know when they're on. World Cup Kickoff can help.

World Cup KickOff is all you will ever need for knowing all the match details for the upcoming World Cup 2006. Whether you use your mobile phone, MS Outlook, Apple iCal or Mozilla Calendar, you can download and keep all the fixtures you are interested in so you will never miss a single game!

Next tip? We'll show you how to get up at 2 AM to watch your matches. ;0) Thanks to Tom for the tip!
</blockquote>

==Examples with some problems==

Entries may be moved here if there's a problem with the way hCalendar is used on the page concerned. If the page is yours, and you want to improve it, see the [[hcalendar-faq|hCalendar FAQ]], or raise any queries on [[hcalendar-issues|hCalendar Issues]] or [[mailing-lists#microformats-discuss|the mailing list]], where people will be happy to help you.

* [http://www.webfeet.org/events.html Webfeet events] includes hCalendar markup in its aggregated events lists.
** <s>Possibly a case where <nowiki><abbr></nowiki> won't work for dtstart/dtend as there are many events listed under a single date. [[User:Webf|Webf]] 15:19, 15 Jan 2007 (PST)</s>
**Malformed e.g <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 15:41, 15 Jan 2007 (PST)
** Continue the discussion under [[hcalendar-issues|hCalendar Issues]] perhaps. [[User:Webf|Webf]] 22:25, 15 Jan 2007 (PST)
* [http://www.theatrestudies.llc.ed.ac.uk/ Theatre Studies: European Theatre] at the University of Edinburgh uses hCalendar to markup news and events on the index page.
**<s>Uses "display:none" on image. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 15:32, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)</s> Removed img tag from hCard
* [http://www.bokle.de/ s'Bokle] is a German music pub. Their events calendar has been marked up with hCalendar.
** improper use of rrule --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 16:04, 6 Jan 2006 (PST)
* [http://plan9.tryphon.org/nancy/list Plan9] - Uses hCalendar to mark up events !
** dtstart/dtend are implemented on span element [[User:TomArmitage|Tom Armitage]] June 23, 2006
* [http://www.socaltech.com socalTECH] is a news and information site. Their front page event listing is marked up with hCalendar.
** dtstart/dtend implemented on span element [[User:TomArmitage|Tom Armitage]] June 23, 2006
* [http://www.multipack.co.uk The Multipack] features a vevent for the next meeting information.
** dtstart/dtend are implemented on em element [[User:TomArmitage|Tom Armitage]] June 23, 2006
* [http://paulschreiber.com/ Paul] Schreiber's [http://iceoasis.shrub.ca/ unofficial schedule site] publishes hCalendar information for upcoming hockey games at [http://www.iceoasis.com/ Ice Oasis]
** dtstart/dtend are implemented on td element [[User:TomArmitage|Tom Armitage]] June 23, 2006

- whilst Tails parses dtstart/dtend on any element, technically it really needs to be on abbr. Technorati Microformats Search only looks for the title element on <code><nowiki><abbr></nowiki></code> tags, for instance.

== Related Pages ==
{{hcalendar-related-pages}}

hatom

2007-01-31T22:29:22Z

AbsaLoM: /* 0.1 hAtom examples */

<h1> hAtom 0.1 </h1>

hAtom is a microformat for content that can be syndicated, primarily but not exclusively weblog postings. hAtom is based on a subset of the [http://www.atomenabled.org/ Atom] syndication format. hAtom is one of several [[microformats]] open standards.

__TOC__
== Draft Specification ==

=== Editor/Author ===
* [http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com/ David Janes], [http://www.blogmatrix.com BlogMatrix, Inc.]

=== Contributors ===
* [http://members.optusnet.com.au/benjamincarlyle/benjamin/blog/ Benjamin Carlyle]
* [http://tantek.com/ Tantek Çelik], [http://technorati.com Technorati, Inc.]

=== Copyright ===
{{MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2005}}

=== Patents ===
{{MicroFormatPatentStatement}}

== Introduction ==

hAtom is a [[microformat]] for identifying semantic information in weblog posts and practically any other place [http://www.atomenabled.org/ Atom] may be used, such as news articles. hAtom content is easily added to most blogs by simple modifications to the blog's template definitions.

== Semantic XHTML Design Principles ==
{{semantic-xhtml-design-principles}}

== Format ==
=== In General ===
The [http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#person Atom Syndication Format] provides the conceptual basis for this microformat, with the following caveats:

* Atom provides a lot more functionality than we need for a "blog post" microformat, so we've taken the minimal number of elements needed.
* the "logical" model of hAtom is that of Atom. If there is a conflict, Atom should be taken as correct.
* the "physical" model of hAtom -- the actual writing of elements -- is a lot more varied than Atom provides for, due to the variety of ways weblogs are actually produced in the wild. The hAtom microformat provides a number of rules for "bridging the gap"

=== Schema ===
Schema elements are based on the Atom nomenclature and follow the microformat pattern of prefixing a unique identifier (in this case, '<code>h</code>') on the outermost container elements -- the Feed or Entry. The parts of this microformat are based on analysis of many weblog, bulletin board and media posts and can be read [[blog-post-brainstorming#Discovered_Elements]].

The hAtom schema consists of the following:

* hfeed ('''<code>hfeed</code>'''). optional.
* hentry ('''<code>hentry</code>''').
** '''<code>entry-title</code>'''. required. text.
** '''<code>entry-content</code>'''. optional (see field description). text.
** '''<code>entry-summary</code>'''. optional. text.
** '''<code>updated</code>'''. required using [[datetime-design-pattern]].
** '''<code>published</code>'''. optional using [[datetime-design-pattern]].
** '''<code>author</code>'''. required using '''[[hcard|hCard]]'''.
** '''<code>bookmark</code>''' (permalink). optional, using '''[[rel-bookmark]]'''.
** tags. optional. keywords or phrases, using '''[[rel-tag]]'''.

Some required elements have defaults if missing, see below.

=== Field and Element Details ===

===== Feed =====
* a Feed element is identified by the class name <code>hfeed</code>
* a Feed element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.1.1 Atom feed]
* the Feed element is optional and, if missing, is assumed to be the page
* hAtom documents MAY have multiple Feed elements

===== Feed Category =====
* a Feed Category element is identified by [[rel-tag]]
* a Feed MAY have a Feed Category
* a Feed Category element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.2 Atom category] inside a [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#optionalFeedElements feed]
* Feed Category elements MUST appear inside a Feed element but not inside an Entry element
* the [[rel-tag]] <code>href</code> encodes the atom <code>category:term</code>; the link text defines the atom <code>category:label</code>

===== Entry =====
* an Entry element is identified by class name <code>hentry</code>
* an Entry element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.1.2 Atom entry]
* any microformat content inside a <code><blockquote></code> or <code><q></code> element within the Entry should not be considered part of the Entry.
: ''This allows quoting other microformated data without worry of corrupting the model''

===== Entry Category =====
* an Entry Category element is identified by [[rel-tag]]
* an Entry MAY have an Entry Category
* an Entry Category element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.2 Atom category] inside an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#optionalEntryElements entry]
* the [[rel-tag]] <code>href</code> encodes the atom <code>category:term</code>; the link text defines the atom <code>category:label</code>

===== Entry Title =====
* an Entry Title element is identified by the class name <code>entry-title</code>
* an Entry SHOULD have an Entry Title
* an Entry Title element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.14 Atom entry title]
* if the Entry Title is missing, use
** the first <code><h#></code> element in the Entry, or
** the <code><title></code> of the page, if there is no enclosing Feed element, or
** assume it is the empty string

===== Entry Content =====
* an Entry Content element is identified by class name <code>entry-content</code>
* an Entry SHOULD have Entry Content
* an Entry Content element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#atomContent Atom content]
* an Entry MAY have 0 or more Entry Content elements. The "logical Entry Content" of an Entry is the concatenation, in order of appearance, of all the Entry Contents within the Entry
: ''Many weblogs split content into multiple sections with a "Read More" link and javascript tricks. This is also needed in cases where Entry Titles are coded inline and are considered part of the content.''
* if the Entry Content is missing, assume it is the empty string

===== Entry Summary =====
* an Entry Summary element is identified by class name <code>entry-summary</code>
* an Entry Summary element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.13 Atom summary]
* an Entry MAY have 0 or more Entry Summary elements. The "logical Entry Summary" of an Entry is the concatenation, in order of appearance, of all the Entry Summarys within the Entry

===== Entry Permalink =====
* an Entry Permalink element is identified by [[rel-bookmark]]
* an Entry SHOULD have an Entry Permalink
* an Entry Permalink element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.7 Atom link in an entry]
* if the Entry Permalink is missing, use the URI of the page; if the Entry has an "id" attribute, add that as a fragment to the page URI to distinguish individual entries

===== Entry Updated =====
* an Entry Updated element is identified by class name <code>updated</code>
* an Entry Updated element represents the concept of [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.15 Atom updated]
* an Entry SHOULD have an Entry Updated element
* use the [[datetime-design-pattern]] to encode the updated datetime
* if there is no Entry Updated element,
** use the Entry Published element, if present
** otherwise the page is invalid hAtom

===== Entry Published =====
* an Entry Published element is identified by the class name <code>published</code>
* an Entry Published element represents the concept of [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.9 Atom published]
* use the [[datetime-design-pattern]] to encode the published datetime

===== Entry Author =====
* an Entry Author element is represented by class name <code>author</code>
* an Entry Author element represents the concept of an [http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.1 Atom author]
* an Entry Author element MUST be encoded in an [[hcard|hCard]]
* an Entry Author element SHOULD be encoded in an <code><address></code> element
* an Entry SHOULD have at least one Entry Author element
* an Entry MAY have more than one Entry Author elements
* if the Entry Author is missing
** find the [[algorithm-nearest-in-parent|Nearest In Parent]] <code><address></code> element(s) with class name <code>author</code> and that is/are a valid [[hcard|hCard]]
** otherwise the entry is invalid hAtom

=== XMDP Profile ===
<pre>
<dl class="profile">
<dt>class</dt>
<dd>
<a rel="help" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#adef-class">
HTML4 definition of the 'class' attribute.</a>
This meta data profile defines some 'class' attribute values (class names)
and their meanings as suggested by a
<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-htmllink-970328#profile">
draft of "Hypertext Links in HTML"</a>.
<dl>
<dt>hfeed</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:feed from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>hentry</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:entry from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>entry-title</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:title inside of an atom:entry from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>entry-content</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:content from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>entry-summary</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:summary from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>bookmark</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:link (without any "rel") with an atom:entry from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>published</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:published from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
</dd>
<dt>updated</dt>
<dd>
The concept of atom:updated from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
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<dt>author</dt>
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The concept of atom:author from
<a href="http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php">The Atom Syndication Format</a>,
constrained and modified as per the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom">hAtom microformat spec</a>.
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</dl>
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== Examples ==

See [[hatom-examples]].

== Examples in the wild ==
This section is '''informative'''.

The following sites have implemented hAtom , and thus are a great place to start for anyone looking for examples "in the wild" to try parsing, indexing, organizing etc. If your site marked up with hAtom, feel free to add it to the top of this list. Once the list grows too big, we'll make a separate wiki page.

=== 0.1 hAtom examples===
* [http://yedda.com Yedda] - Yedda support hAtom on exploration of questions where there is also support for Atom and RSS feeds. ([http://yedda.com/questions/recent/ example])
* The [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/ West Midland Bird Club's] frequently-updated [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/new.htm What's New] page, [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/ladywalk/latest.htm news from its Ladywalk Reserve] and [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/worcs/grimley/latest.htm news from Grimley Pits] — comments welcome on my talk page [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
* [http://pixelsebi.com pixelsebi's repository] uses hAtom 0.1 for blog posts (and hCard, hCalendar, XFN, xFolk and many more) based on manual WordPress template modifications
* [http://www.geekinthepark.co.uk Geek in the Park] uses hAtom for the comments. -- by [[User:Trovster|trovster]]
* [http://www.csarven.ca Sarven Capadisli] uses hAtom for the articles and comments -- by [[User:Csarven|csarven]]
* [http://www.fberriman.com fberriman.com] uses hAtom 0.1 for blog posts (WordPress loop) and hCard throughout -- by [[User:Phae|Frances Berriman]] (Also - [http://www.fberriman.com/?p=86 Implementing hAtom: The Entries Code])
* [http://www.capital.edu Capital University] uses hAtom 0.1 to mark up the feed of latest posts by student bloggers on its home page.
* [http://blog.davidjanes.com Ranting and Roaring] (David Janes)
* [http://ChunkySoup.net/ ChunkySoup.net] has redesigned using hAtom 0.1 and hCards on the entire site -- by [[User:ChrisCasciano|Chris Casciano]]
* [http://sedna.spip.org/sedna/ Sedna RSS] (a feed aggregator based on SPIP, by Fil, IZO and others; GPLd sources are available at [http://zone.spip.org/trac/spip-zone/browser/_squelettes_/sedna SPIP-Zone])
* [http://members.optusnet.com.au/benjamincarlyle/benjamin/blog/ Sound Advice] (Benjamin Carlyle)
* [http://quotedprintable.com/pages/scribbish Scribbish] is a Typo theme which uses hAtom.
* [http://rbach.priv.at/hAtom2Atom/Changelog/ hAtom2Atom.xsl’s Changelog] is published as hAtom and Atom.
* [http://federali.st/ federali.st]'s webbed Federalist Papers are each marked up in hAtom.
* [http://www.joomlamug.com Joomla! Melbourne User Group] uses hAtom combined with hCard for articles.
* [http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/ Sandbox] is a theme for [http://wordpress.org/ WordPress] that uses hAtom.
** The theme is also available to accounts on the [http://wordpress.com/ <username>.wordpress.com] hosting service.
* [http://www.whump.com/dropbox/Strangelove.zip Strangelove] is a modification of the default WordPress theme (Kubrick) with hAtom support.
** It points to the hAtom2Atom proxy service as the link for syndication feeds.

=== Pre 0.1 hAtom examples===
These pages conform to an older draft standard and need to be updated.

* [http://www.myelin.co.nz/post/ Second p0st] (Phil Pearson)

== Implementations ==

This section is '''informative'''.

The following implementations have been developed which either generate or parse hAtom links. If you have an hAtom implementation, feel free to add it to the top of this list. Once the list grows too big, we'll make a separate wiki page.

* [http://dichotomize.com/uf/hatom/creator.html hAtom Creator] modified from the other creators by BenWest.
* the [http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/ Almost Universal Microformat Parser] can extract hAtom content from webpages ([http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.davidjanes.com&microformat=hatom&submit=Submit example])
* the [http://www.trinityanne.com/tools/greasemonkey/microformat-action.user.js microformat-action] [[greasemonkey|Greasemonkey]] script detects hAtom content on webpages and will call the [http://tools.blogmatrix.com/extract/ Almost Universal Microformat Parser]
* [http://rbach.priv.at/hAtom2Atom/ hAtom2Atom.xsl] transforms hAtom to Atom (as the name suggests.)
* There is now an [http://www.lukearno.com/projects/hatom2atom/ hatom2atom proxy] that uses hAtom2Atom.xsl.
* [http://placenamehere.com/article/185/SubscribingTohAtomFeedsWithNetNewsWire Subscribe To hAtom] is a script that provides [http://ranchero.com/netnewswire/ NetNewsWire 2.x] users with the ability to subscribe to hAtom documents as they would any other feed. by [[User:ChrisCasciano|Chris Casciano]].
* [http://boxtheweb.mihopa.net/code/apis/#outlineclasses Outline Classes] - has GPL'ed PHP code for reading hAtom
* [http://boxtheweb.4x2.net/ BoxtheWeb] - supports subscribing to hAtom as a feed format

== References ==
=== Normative References ===
* [http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/ XHTML 1.0 SE]
* [http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4287 RFC4287: The Atom Syndication Format]
* [[hcard-parsing]]

=== Informative References ===
* [http://www.atomenabled.org/ atomenabled.org]

== Work in progress ==
This specification is a work in progress. As additional aspects are discussed, understood, and written, they will be added. There is a separate document where we are keeping our brainstorms and other explorations relating to hAtom:

* [[blog-post-brainstorming|blog-post Brainstorming]]

=== Version 0.1 ===

Version 0.1 was released 28 February 2006.

== Discussions ==

* See [http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/referer.html blogs discussing this page].

=== Q&A ===
* If you have any questions about hAtom, check the [[hatom-faq|hAtom FAQ]], and if you don't find answers, add your questions!

=== Issues ===
* Please add any issues with the specification to the separate [[hatom-issues|hAtom issues]] document.

==See Also==
{{hatom-related-pages}}
* [[rel-enclosure]] - how to semantically reference enclosures (e.g. podcasts) in hAtom
* [[blog-post-brainstorming]]
* [[blog-post-formats]]
* [[blog-post-examples]]
* [[blog-description-format]] - how to describe a blog (as opposed to the individual entries, which is what we're doing here)