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job-listing-brainstorming

2012-01-13T22:15:04Z

JeffDonner: Added bit advocating support for finer-grading of how much needed, individual 'skills' are.

= Job Listing Brainstorming =

Ideas for a possible [[job-listing]] microformat.

== Fields from examples ==

(see the [[job-listing-examples]])

{| class="sortable"
! property || xhtml-element || description || major/minor (+/-) priority
|-
| title || h# || title of the job, e.g. 'Project-Manager for Customer-Service-Project' || +
|-
| description || class || job-description || +
|-
| company || [[hcard]] || || +
|-
| company size || class || || +
|-
| company logo || class || || -
|-
| multimedia || class || || -
|-
| location || [[adr]] || || +
|-
| start & end date || dtstart & dtend || :or should we use dstart for the date the ad is posted,<br /> and dtend for the closing date for aplications? || +
|-
| type (employee|contract) || class || || +
|-
| classification (full time|part time|temporary|<br />temp to hire|seasonal|internship) || class || || +
|-
| hours/week || class || || +
|-
| salary base || class (see [[currency]]) || || +
|-
| salary max || class (see [[currency]]) || || +
|-
| wage/hour || class (see [[currency]]) || || +
|-
| education || class || ||
|-
| certification || class || ||
|-
| years || class || ||
|-
| skill || class || management can fall under skill ||
|-
| years || class || ||
|-
| required || class || ||
|-
| benefit || class || ||
|-
| holiday allowance || || expressed in days or weeks? ||
|-
| contact || [[hcard]]
|-
| time posted || date-time || (is this dtstart? See above) ||
|-
| relocation covered || class || ||
|-
| job function || class || (if absent, fall back to title?) ||
|-
| travel required || class || ||
|-
| industry || || tag on company?
|-
| language of job-listing || <s>class</s> @lang on containing element (or use page's language) || ||
|-
| job-language || class || mainlanguage spoken with colleagues ||
|-
| applicationmaterial || class || e.g. cv, worksamples, licenses, greencard ||
|-
| organisationalid || class || number or phrase - large enterprises have an unique id for a specific job offer ||
|-
| applicationurl || class || Some companies require applicants to fill out application forms online ||
|-
|}

==Filip Chereches-Tosa==
* Maybe there's no need to have a dedicated microformat for jobs and we could somehow extend [http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-proposal the hListing proposal], by adding the following optional fields under '''description''':
** salary
** education
** skills
** type

[[User:FilipCte|Filip C.T.E.]]

==Bruce Stockwell==
I concur with [[User:FilipCte|Filip C.T.E.]]. A vacant or new position at a company can be represented in its basic form by [http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-proposal the hListing proposal]. [http://microformats.org/wiki/measure hMeasure] and [http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-proposal hCurrency] could handle the salary as it would the monetary value of any basic listing. Describing optional and required skill set items needs more discussion.

[[User:BruceStockwell|Bruce Stockwell]]

==Andy Mabbett==
"job-listing" is clunky, would "vacancy" be a better name?
*I second the change of name to "Vacancy". - [[User: NTollervey|ntoll]]
**I disagree, "vacancy" has no context. It could refer to anything - eg "hotel vacancy". - Quint
***In which case, "job-vacancy" or just "job"? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
**** A job is a offering to the market for someone to fill so using the 3 attributes from the hlisting spec Listing Type="Offer", Listing Action = "Announce" and Item Type ="Opening" describe a job opening. [[User:Mspecht|Michael Specht]]

==Christian Pfetzing==

What about "job-offer"? Reason: People with low english-skills often know "offer" but not "vacancy".
On the other hand:
Why not easily "job"?
With an attribute you can specify if it is a "job-offer" or a "job-application". So human beeings/job-platforms can easily compare "offers" and "applications". Manually (humans) or automatic (machines) -- [[User:Christian|Christian]] 05:48, 28 Apr 2007 (PDT)

==Darren Bounds==

Keep in mind the internationally recognized term in the ATS industry is "requisition". This is also defined in the [http://www.hr-xml.org HRXML specification].

While I believe other non-standard options should be considered, it does not appear as though the hResume specification gave any consideration to HRXML, which does have a large adoption for backend transations regarding HR data (including resumes and requisitions).

* While this makes perfect sense from a specialist's back-end view, I'm not sure that I would ever look for a requisition (actually positive that I wouldn't) [[User:Amodal1| Robert Cooksey]]

==See also==
*[http://www.twict.gov.uk/jobs.asp Joined Up Jobs] (job syndication initiative in UK local government)
*[[currency]] - proposed microformat for marking-up amounts of money (for salary, wage, payment, earnings)

==Robert Cooksey==
(hello everyone, my first post, I'll get to creating my user page[[User: Amodal1 | Robert Cooksey]] )
* The idea of extending the hListing proposal sounds like a good one.
** This simplifies the models to more generic containers with detail coming from attribute values
** It also utilizes the time tested models of information organization on sites such as craigslist and paper models such as classifieds while adding the semantic specificity that allows the data to be utilized by systems in widely divergent varieties by agents--human and digital
* Questions concerning this:
** Is there another word than job or requisition that captures all of each and is used in common parlance?
** Would "offer" be the best action for this? Maybe "opportunity" or something of which I'm not thinking?
*** A general enough heading for this action in hListing would allow for a breakdown in terms of type of different forms
*** The suggestion of type could accept values such as:
**** contract, submission (for calls for conferences, publications, etc.), full-time, part-time, etc.
**** This would allow for an opportunity (job/employment, call for papers, etc.) that could be differentiated by attributes of type and availability status (open, closed, conditional, etc.)
** Also, the word "available" seems more flexible should one want to allow for just an expression that expresses openness without too much specificity, but the expiration date might catch-that. What if open-until-filled?
* One last suggestion is to add "experience" to the list Filip posted above
** While many job listers search for skills and education level, number of years experience are also used at least as often

==Michael Specht==
Agree the hlisting format looks like it could easily be extended to meet the initial needs of a job posting, assuming we look at a job posting as a classified ad not from the view point of a recruiter. One of the issues that limited the take up of HRXML in the early days was it's complexity, experienced gained here in Australia trying to get vendors to support the format. The list of elements above seems to describe a job from an HR/recruitment point of view not a classifieds point of view.

I see the biggest issue with the hlisting format being how to handle: salary, skills, type, industry and application process.

== Jeff Donner ==
For tech jobs at least, it'd be nice to have /graded/ requirements for skills, whether measured in years experience, general goodness, or how important to the position (1-5 say; 5 absolutely required, 1 lightly used, only nice-to-have). Also, Visa requirements (H1B, citizen, green card ...), security clearance, whether remote work is ok. And actually, all of these are applicable to general jobs as well. -- [[User:JeffDonner|Jeff Donner]]

job-listing-examples

2012-01-13T22:01:32Z

JeffDonner: minor - fixed spelling of 'available' - sorry can't help it

=== Job Listing Examples ===

*Online Job Applications

**http://onlinejobapplicaions.com
**company
**type of application available
**location
**interview tips
**positions available
**benefit information
**how to apply

* 37 Signals Job Board (a minimalist approach - comments in brackets are from their site)

** https://jobs.37signals.com/jobs/new
** Company
** URL (e.g. Example: "http://www.google.com")
** Tile (Example: "Senior Designer" or "Rails Programmer")
** Location (Example: "Chicago, IL" or "Stockholm, Sweden")
** Category ["Design","Programming","Business/Exec","Misc","Copywriter"]
** Description (no more than 1000 chars)
** How to apply (Example: "Send a resume to jane@company.com")

* Descheneaux Insurance Recruiters LTD
** http://www.insuranceheadhunters.com/links.cfm
** title
** company
** location
** start date
** end date
** type - regular (vs. contract?)
** classification (full/part time)
** hours/week
** salary range
** education
** certification
** experience (years)
** description
** benefits

* America's Job Bank
** http://www.ajb.dni.us/
** title
** company
** location
** start date
** end date
** type - regular (vs. contract?)
** classification (full/part time)
** hours/week
** salary range
** education
** certification
** experience (years)
** description
** benefits

* Australian Job Search
** http://jobsearch.gov.au/
** title
** location
** title
** description
** type (permanent/full-time/etc.)
** contact
** time posted

* CareerBuilder
** http://www.careerbuilder.com/
** title
** company
** industry
** location
** qualifications
*** experience
*** education
** pay
*** relocation covered (y/n)
** travel required (y/n)
** type (full time, contract, etc.)
** job function
** management (y/n)
** description

* careerpowerups.com (covers the videogames industry)
** http://careerpowerups.com
** date
** company (or recruitment agency)
** company homepage
** title (eg "Concept Artist")
** location (eg "Rockville, MD")
** description
** how to apply (eg "Email jobs@example.com to apply")
** pay (eg "$DOE + Benefits + Relocation Support" - ie even where specified, pay is usually meaningless)

* Craigslist
** http://www.craigslist.org/jjj/
** category
** contract terms
** date
** duration (implied)
** contact info
** location
** title
** description
** principals/recruiters

* Diario Clarin
** http://www.empleosclasificados.clarin.com/
** category
** job type
** description
** listing date
** contact phone

* Dice
** http://www.dice.com/
** title
** skills
** time posted
** location
*** area code
** tax term (W2, etc.)
** pay rate
** length (months)
** description
** qualifications
*** skills
**** required
**** preferred
*** experience
*** education
** contact
** travel required
** telecommute (y/n)

*HigherEdJobs.com
**http://www.higheredjobs.com
**title
**institution
**location(city-state)
**job category
**posting date
**application due date
**type (ft/pt)
**description
***experience
***education
***salary
***application requirements
**application information
***postal address
***website link
***phone/fax/email
**additional information (incl. relevant links)

* InfoEmprego.com.br
** http://www.infoemprego.com.br/OfertaVisualizar.aspx?id=546853
** Offer title
** location (city - state - country)
** description
** company size
** company sector (of the job offer)
** company type
** offer description
*** sector
*** specialization
*** vacancies
** requirements
*** studies
*** professional experience
** Offering
*** salary (might not be shown it seems)
*** contract type

* Infojobs.net
** http://www.infojobs.net/visualizar_oferta.ij/of_codigo=25152424536981905650024953746
** offer title
*** offer date
*** offer reference
*** company name
**** company url
**** company number of workers
**** company headquarters
**** company description/filosophy
** location
*** location city
*** location country
*** location province/state
** job description
*** job title
*** job category
*** department
*** vacancies
*** job offer description
** requirements
*** minimal estudies
*** minimal experience
*** place of residency (where the candidate must live)
** contract
*** journal (full day| part time)

* Indeed
** http://www.indeed.com/
** title
** company
** location
** description
** source
** time posted

* Job.com
** http://www.job.com/
** title
** company
*** company type (public/private)
** industry
** time posted
** contact
** location
** salary
** travel required (%)
** security clearance (y/n)
** type (full/part time)
** description
** qualifications

* Jobing
** http://florida.jobing.com/
** title
** company
** status (full time, temp, etc.)
** pay rate
** description
** qualifications
** location

* Job Search
** http://www.jobsearch.co.uk/
** title
** description
** pay
** time posted
** contact
** location
** term (permanent, temp)
** industry
** start date

* Jobserve
** http://jobserve.com/
** Description
** Type ["Contract","Perm"]
** Location
** Country
** Start Date
** Duration
** Employment Business (Agency)
** Contact Name
** Telephone
** Fax
** Email
** Reference (some sort of GUID)
** Posted Date

* Monster
** http://jobsearch.monster.com/
** company
*** link
*** logo
** status (full time, temp, etc.)
** location
** job title
** job function
** qualifications
*** education/certification
*** skills
** contact (name,email,org)

* Prague.tv
** http://prague.tv/jobs/job.php?id=246
** title
** location (city)
** type (permanent | part time)
** summary
** description

* PromotionStep
** http://www.promotionseo.com/seo_jobs.htm
** requirements
** experience
** description
** part time / full time
** compensation
** benefits
** contact

* Segunda Mano
** http://www.segundamano.com.ar/detalles/asp/trabajo_y_capacitación/comercial/oferta/13104203.htm
** category
** job type
** description
** contact phone
** province
** city
** listing date

* Simply Hired
** http://www.simplyhired.com/
** title
** company
** location
** description
** time posted
** source

* Town News
** http://www.pantagraphclassifieds.com/?loc=sub&main=Employment
** (Locally-hosted newspaper classifieds engine)
** title
** description
** time posted

* Workopolis
** http://www.workopolis.com/
** title
** type (full time, etc)
** Location (sometimes multiple locations, seperated by ;)
** Job Category
** Industry
** company URL
** Years experience
** Number of openings for position
** Date Posted
** Contact Email
** Description

* Yahoo! HotJobs
** http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
** title
** type (full time, etc.)
** company
** location
** salary
** time posted
** qualifications
*** experience
*** education
** contact
** description

job-listing-brainstorming

2012-01-13T21:57:40Z

JeffDonner: removed one 'required' entry - there were two.