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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NodarMonel: ololichielt&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;cdrontrcoli&lt;br /&gt;
= hBib Description 2005-05-14 =&lt;br /&gt;
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This is a historical capture and therefore the below pre/nowiki contents MUST NOT be edited.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For current related efforts, see [[citation]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The following document was created, collaboratively edited live 2005-05-14 during the WWW2005 workshop and [[presentations]] on microformats.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;body style=&amp;quot;font-size:130%&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;h1&amp;gt;hBib: une charette&amp;lt;/h1&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;an interactive design session&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt;Authors&amp;lt;/h2&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;vcard&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a class=&amp;quot;url fn&amp;quot; href=&amp;quot;http://tantek.com/log/&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tantek &amp;amp;#0199;elik&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;!-- numerical character entities work for XHTML and XML in general, &lt;br /&gt;
whereas named character entities only work in HTML and *some* XHTML user agents --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;vcard&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a class=&amp;quot;url fn&amp;quot; href=&amp;quot;#&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Rohit Khare&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;vcard&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a class=&amp;quot;url fn&amp;quot; href=&amp;quot;http://meyerweb.com/&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Eric A. Meyer&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;vcard&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a class=&amp;quot;url fn&amp;quot; href=&amp;quot;http://www.markbaker.ca&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mark Baker&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;vcard&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a class=&amp;quot;url fn&amp;quot; href=&amp;quot;http://www.wiredpen.com/&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kathy Gill&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;vcard fn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Bert Bos&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt; ***** add your hcard here *****&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp; other participants from the Microformats track on Dev Day at WWW 2005&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; Solution?&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Author -- should use hCard. OK&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Mulitple authors? Multiple hCards.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; use hidden SPANs?&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; use CSS classes for k-authors: 1st-author, 2nd-author? generic &amp;quot;author&amp;quot; class?&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; ol + span?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; how to &amp;quot;loft&amp;quot; dc:author inot microformats use in CSS class= attrs? -- &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;create an XMDP for Dublin Core (creator, etc)&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
.author + .author + .author + .author {display: none}&lt;br /&gt;
.author + .author + .author {content: &amp;quot; et al.&amp;quot;}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; Existing Example&amp;lt;/h2&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Let's start with a concrete example of a particular bibliography presentation&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[1] Goland, Y. Y., Nottingham, M. and Orchard, D. WS-CallBack Protocol 0.91.&lt;br /&gt;
 BEA Systems, WS-CallBack Protocol 0.91, Feb 26 2003 2003. &lt;br /&gt;
 http://dev2dev.bea.com/technologies/webservices/WS-CallBack-0_9.jsp&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;How would we mark that up?&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;pre class=&amp;quot;example&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;vcard&amp;quot;&amp;amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;fn n&amp;quot;&amp;amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &amp;amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;family-name &amp;quot;&amp;amp;lt;Goland&amp;amp;lt;/span&amp;amp;gt;, &lt;br /&gt;
  &amp;amp;lt;abbr class=&amp;quot;given-name&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;Yaron&amp;quot;&amp;amp;gt;Y.&amp;amp;lt;/abbr&amp;amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;amp;lt;/span&amp;amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;amp;lt;/span&amp;amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt;Goals&amp;lt;/h2&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ol&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;strong&amp;gt;Stop having to re-key references!&amp;lt;/strong&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;Adapt to new Journal styles solely by changin the CSS?&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/ol&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt;Why a Microformat?&amp;lt;/h2&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ol&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;strong&amp;gt;Presentation matters!&amp;lt;/strong&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;A predecessor format exists:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;BibTeX&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;Endnote&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;Dublin Core&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/ol&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;hr&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;strong&amp;gt;the microformats way&amp;lt;/strong&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 solve a specific problem &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 make evolutionary improvements &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 be as simple as possible, perhaps solve a simpler problem first &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 adapt to current behaviors and usage patterns, e.g. (X)HTML, blogging &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 presentable &amp;lt;em&amp;gt;and&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; parsable &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 reuse existing microformats and well established schemas (e.g. IETF RFCs) as building blocks &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 design to be reused and embedded inside existing formats and microformats &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 enable and encourage decentralized development and services &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;    &amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;hr&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt;The Microformats Checklist&amp;lt;/h2&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;dl&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;dt&amp;gt;Specific Problem?&amp;lt;/dt&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;dd&amp;gt;Are we close? the library science rathole is pretty deep, folks....&amp;lt;/dd&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/dl&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt;Notes&amp;lt;/h2&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Typically have access to &amp;quot;rendered&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;flattened&amp;quot; papers without the structured data&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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