recipe-brainstorming

2007-07-09T00:00:30Z

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= recipe brainstorming =

Towards a [[recipe]] microformat. Please read [[process]] before editing this page.

This page is currently a rough draft formed after surveying the [[recipe-examples]] and other related formats such as RecipeML and existing microformats. '''RecipeML MUST be documented in [[recipe-formats]], otherwise the reference is meaningless.'''

'''This page is currently premature, as there first needs to be a [[recipe-formats]] page where pre-existing recipe formats are documented (e.g. RecipeML), BEFORE brainstorming, per the [[process]]'''

==Suggested fields for inclusion==
Excerpted from [http://conoroneill.com/2006/03/21/what-if-i-suggest-a-structured-recipe-format-and-you-critique-it/ Conor Bandon's Blog entry] and derived from The RecipeML Spec:
*Recipe_Title
*Summary Description (one liner)
*Measurement System (U.S., Imperial etc)
*Ingredients (each one a separate "item" rather than block text with count/amount/range/unit broken out too)
**Some (e.g. meats, vegetables) could optionally be marked up with (elements of) the proposed [[species]] microformat. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 06:41, 16 Nov 2006 (PST)
** Ingredient importance (e.g. Main, Required, Optional) should be listed as an attribute of each entry. [[User:AlexanderShusta|α]]
**Units need separate microformat: see [[measure]]
**Ingredient Preparation: such as diced, chopped, sliced, grated, minced, etc. [[User:SteveL|Steve Lewis]] 18:55, 11 Feb 2007 (PST)
*Preparation Time (overall time)
*Yield Quantity and Unit (4 pancakes or 5 servings)
**Calories per serving [[User:JohnLeMasney| John LeMasney]]
**Calories per ounce [[User:JohnLeMasney| John LeMasney]]
*Background Information - Optional section to encapsulate information that is useful but not necessarily required for a successful recipe. [[User:AlexanderShusta|α]]
**Author (Person) ([[hcard]]?)
**Submitter (Person) ([[hcard]]?)
**Source (Book Title etc)
*** could use the proposed [[citation]] microformat. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 06:43, 16 Nov 2006 (PST)
**Date (Of Creation or Publication)
**Rights (Copyright or other)
**Meal Category (Starter, entree, dessert )
**Cuisine Category (Italian etc)
*Instructions (text, but can contain:)
**Steps (optional)
***Should be an ordered list [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 14:46, 16 Nov 2006 (PST)
***Another vote for an ordered list, perhaps in the [[XOXO]] format. [[User:AlexanderShusta|α]]
*Photo (optional) [[User:IamCam|Cameron Perry]]
**Could be one per dish, or one for each (or for some of the) step(s). [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]

== Additional Suggestions ==

*Difficulty/Notes - Perhaps incorporation of [[hreview|hReview]] to describe difficulty (using rating) and general comments (review), as an optional field. [[User:Phae|Frances Berriman]]
*Suitability (e.g. vegetarian, vegan, wheat-free, etc.). Possibly [[rel-tag]]. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 14:57, 16 Nov 2006 (PST)
*Ingredient Grouping - In baking you need to differentiate wet from dry ingredients. See also an [[recipe-examples|example recipe]] from [http://www.extratasty.com/recipe/46/cuba_libre extratasty.com] for useful grouping in cocktail mixing. [[SteveL|Steve Lewis]] 19:10, 11 Feb 2007

== Cookcamp brainstorming ==

At [http://barcamp.org/CookCamp CookCamp] in February 2007, Tantek moderated a fairly free form discussion of how to publish/share recipes. Here is a [http://flickr.com/photos/tantek/422072573/ photo of the whiteboard]:

[http://flickr.com/photos/tantek/422072573/ http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/422072573_9956d93f61.jpg]

'''To Do''': OCR this and enter rough notes here...

==Issues==
===Scope===
*Is this intended for only food recipes, or also recipes for, say, glue, paint, dyes and other chemicals? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 14:53, 16 Nov 2006 (PST)
** 1 Wondered the same. I'd like to see this extended as a general recipe for anything that can be created in a defined way/order, rather than just edible food.[[User:Phae|Frances Berriman]]
** Agreed. This format could apply to a set of methods and materials, including cooking, science experiments, craft making, building, etc. - essentially any how-to or tutorial. [[User:IamCam|Cameron Perry]]
** However, now I view my addition of 'calories per serving' as suspect, ;) though I guess it could still apply, since it's just a unit of energy. [[User:JohnLeMasney|John LeMasney]]
***Recipe for Nitroglycerine (not recommended by Weight Watchers) ? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 10:43, 1 Feb 2007 (PST)
** The scope is determined by the [[recipe-examples]] research that is done, other musings are purely theoretical and thus discouraged. So far this means recipes means only food recipes. In addition, "recipe" in common vernacular applies primarily to food. Other uses are certainly outside the common 80/20 (note that 80/20 does note mean there are no non-food cases, merely that they are outside the 80). If you want to pursue other types of recipes, e.g. "chemical-recipes" - start that as a separate research effort per the [[process]]. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 07:39, 15 Mar 2007 (PDT)
*Is it possible to have special structure for the details of the operations in the cooking. For Eg. I invite you to have a look at the following Page [http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/CompCook.html]. Should it be possible to have special markup for the operations? Or is that going too far? Maybe we could keep this open ended so that it could be included when sites would actually be interested in including the same... Anyway the article makes for some interesting reading though it is from 1985 ;-) [[User:SudarshanP|SudarshanP]] 06:46, 26 Jun 2007 (PDT)

== See Also ==
* [[recipe]]
* [[recipe-examples]]
* [[recipe-formats]]

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