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== Quick Start ==
You may use a IRC client application such as [http://colloquy.info/ Colloquy] (Mac or iOS) or [https://market.android.com/details?id=org.yaaic&feature=search_result Yaaic on Android] to join:
* irc://irc.freenode.net/microformats

Alternatively you may use a browser to quickly join and chat:
* http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=microformats&nick=uf-wiki-visitor
* Firefox users: install [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chatzilla/ Chatzilla] IRC plugin.


The microformats IRC channel is hosted on the freenode.net server. See [[irc#Joining_a_server_and_channel|Joining a server and channel]] help for further information and use of client applications which provide additional services (authenticated nicknames, logging, etc.).

== Logs ==
Recent logs of the Freenode #microformats IRC channel can be found at:
* https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/
* [http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=today logbot.glob.com.au microformats IRC Logs]

Older logs can be found at the following locations for the following periods:
* [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2011-02-12 2011-02-12]–[https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats current] at https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats
* [http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=20090220&e=20090220 2009-02-20] - [http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=today current] at [http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=today logbot.glob.com.au microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20131028 2013-10-28] (partial) - [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/ current] at [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats krijnhoetmer microformats IRC Logs]
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* [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20130811 2013-08-11] (partial) - [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20130917 2013-09-17] (partial) at [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats krijnhoetmer microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20120726 2012-10-09] (partial) - [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20130807 2013-08-07] at [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats krijnhoetmer microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20120726 2012-07-26] - [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20120916 2012-09-16] (partial) at [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats krijnhoetmer microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20090220 2009-02-20] - [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20120621 2012-06-21] (partial) at [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats krijnhoetmer microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2011-04-05 2011-04-05] at [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2011-02-24 2011-02-24] - [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2011-03-03 2011-03-03] at [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2009-08-28 2009-08-28] - [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2010-09-27 2010-09-27] at [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2009-03-26 2009-03-26] - [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2009-06-29 2009-06-29] at [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach microformats IRC Logs]
* 2009-02-09 - 2009-02-20 '''missing'''. if anyone has any logs for this time period, please upload them and add links here.
* [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2009-01-14 2009-01-14] - [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2009-02-09 2009-02-09] at [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach microformats IRC Logs]
* [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20080825 2008-08-25] - [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20090114 2009-01-14] at [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats krijnhoetmer microformats IRC Logs]
* 2008-08-16 - 2008-08-24 '''missing'''. if anyone has any logs for this time period, please upload them and add links here.
* [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2005-11-16 2005-11-16] - [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2008-08-16 2008-08-16] at [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach microformats IRC Logs]

Until sometime on 2007-07-16, there was an [http://microformat.makedatamakesense.com/log_feed/ atom feed] provided for the [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach IRC Logs].

=== logs status ===
* [http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=freenode%23microformats logbot.glob.com.au microformats IRC Logs] are current and live
* [http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats krijnhoetmer microformats IRC Logs] appears to have stopped logging as of 2016-01.
** I emailed and heard back from Krijn on 2016-03-19 "Yeah, sorry, I know, server resources are very low for that (old) machine. I think it's sort of EOL.." [http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=21+Mar+2016&e=21+Mar+2016&h=Krijn#c86411] -- gRegor
* [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ rbach IRC Logs] appear to have stopped logging as of 2009-06-29.

== People on IRC ==
See our [[irc-people|list of IRC regulars]] and their normal timezones.

Our channel has regular admins, who are also mailing list and wiki admins. If you want to get their attention, just say "adminhelp".

==Bots on IRC==
The IRC channel uses these bots:
* [[Loqi]] - logs IRC, posts notifications to IRC of wiki edits
** If Loqi is missing, see https://indieweb.org/Loqi for instructions
** If Wiki edits are missing, ask an admin for "adminhelp", and reference [[admin-how-to#irc]]

=== Previous Bots ===
These bots were active ~2005-2009? (actual dates can likely be confirmed by checking old IRC logs)
* [[mfbot]] - logs all edits to this wiki. (Contact: [[User:RyanKing|Ryan King]])
* [[mflogbot]] - logs the irc channel itself to archives on the web. (Contact: [[User:RobertBachmann|Robert Bachmann]])
* [http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/index.cgi?jibot jibot]

==== Greeting Bot ====
To display a brief description of who you are each time you join the channel, you can use “JiBot” to create a definition for your username. To do so pass the <tt>?def</tt> command using something like the following convention (be brief):

<code>?def jdoe is John Doe and can be found online at <nowiki>http://www.example.com</nowiki></code>

More information about using JiBot commands can be found on the [http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/index.cgi?jibot jibot website]

== Getting started with IRC ==
'''Please note:''' These directions relate specifically to the services that [http://freenode.net/ Freenode] offers. Other IRC servers may differ with the services they offer and how to operate them.

===Joining a server and channel===
Most clients will offer you a connection dialogue showing the required fields for connection. The details to connect to the server are:

*Server: <code>irc.freenode.net</code>
*Port: <code>6667</code> (usually default)

You should also fill in any fields to set your alias, real name and email address. If available, save these settings for later to speed up connecting in future.

More on setting a password protected alias can be [[irc#Creating_a_registered_nickname|read here]].

Once connected, you will most likely be presented with the "MOTD" (message of the day). For the first visit, it is advisable to read this to find out about the server's policies and other important pieces of news and help, otherwise it can be ignored and you can either [[irc#Creating_a_registered_nickname|authenticate your alias]] or join a channel.

Your client may display to you a listing of all available channels. Locate <code>#microformats</code> and select to join, or type <code>'''/join #microformats'''</code> into the command line available to you in your client (where you've just been shown your connection).

Assuming you've connected correctly, you should now find youself in the microformats channel!

More detailed, but general, advice can be [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html#intro read here].

===Creating a registered nickname===
Registration means that a password becomes associated with your alias/nickname/sign-in name and from the point of registration authorisation is required to communicate using that alias.

Registration of a nickname is required for some channels, and should be done to protect your identity.

To register with [http://freenode.net Freenode], you must communicate with their service known as NickServ. The two basic command you will need to get started are:

For registration: <code>/msg nickserv register ''password''</code>

For authentication (login): <code>/msg nickserv identify ''password''</code>

With <code>''password''</code> being a value of your choice. You can also associate an email address with your nickname, which is optional, but advisable, should you want to request a password retrieval:

To add your email address: <code>/msg nickserv set email ''email''</code>

Where <code>''email''</code> is your email address.

Your client may offer you an option to set your alias and password, so that you will not have to manually enter this information on each join. Refer to your client's help files for more on this.

These commands can be typed directly into the server window upon join, or whilst in a channel, just as you would normally send a message.

More detailed user registration command information can be found in [http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration Freenode's FAQ]

===Communicating===
Sending a message to a channel may be as simple as joining the channel and typing into the window, just as you would with an Instant Messenger. You can refer to your client's help files for quicker/alternative methods of doing the following. For all clients the following commands are available (the parts in bold must be used, but are not seen by others):

'''Sending a message to the entire channel you are currently in:'''

Command: <kbd>'''/msg''' Hello world!</kbd>

Result: <samp><Bill> Hello world!</samp>

'''Sending an action/emotive/3rd person statement:'''

Command: <kbd>'''/me''' dances a code jig</kbd>

Result: <samp>Bill dances a code jig</samp>

'''Sending a message to one person only (private chat):'''

Command: <kbd>'''/msg Bob''' Hi, would you like to code jig?</kbd>

Result (for Bob only): <samp><Bill> Hi, would you like to code jig?</samp>

==Clients==
The following clients are recommended by #microformats participants:

=== Web ===
* [http://leafychat.com/#microformats@irc.freenode.net Leafy Chat]

===Windows===
* [http://www.mirc.com/ mIRC] — Popular Windows client. Trial version only.
* [http://xchat.org/ X-Chat] — Popular cross-platform client. [http://www.silverex.org/download/ Free Windows version] available.
* [http://www.adiirc.com/ AdiIRC] — Simple C# based IRC client.
* [http://www.miranda-im.org/ Miranda] — Lightweight, muti-protocol instant messenger.

=== Mac ===
* [http://colloquy.info Colloquy] — open source, free
* [http://homepage.mac.com/philrobin/conversation/ Conversation]
* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fire Fire] — open source, free
* [http://www.conceitedsoftware.com/products/linkinus Linkinus]
* [http://www.chipersoft.com/minerva/ Minerva]
* [http://www.snak.com/ Snak]
* [http://xchataqua.sourceforge.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome X-Chat Aqua]
** now has [http://www.portableapps.org PortableApps] version — [http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/21685/portable-x-chat-aqua MacUpdate link]
* [http://www.aquaticx.com/ Xirc]

===Cross-platform===
* [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chatzilla/ Chatzilla] — Cross-platform IRC extension for Firefox
* [http://pidgin.im/ Pidgin] — Popular open-source multi-protocol windows client, using libpurple
* [http://irssi.org/ Irssi] — Unix client, often run from a shell, sometimes [http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi in conjunction with 'screen'].
* [http://jirc.hick.org/jirc/ jIRCii]

== meetups ==
The idea of having IRC meetups (a set time for a meeting on IRC) has been suggested by [[User:RyanKing|Ryan King]], as it appears to work well for the WordPress community and may help us from time-to-time. As of yet, there are no plans to have meetups.

==IRC and microformats==
=== hCard ===
<div class="discussion">
* ''How do we maintain info about ircing in our hCards (nick, network, fav-channels?)?''
** presumably this would be done with a URL. - [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 18:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
</div>

== Related discussions ==
* [[chat]] [[chat-examples|chat examples]], [[chat-formats|chat formats]], and [[chat-brainstorming|chat brainstorming]]

==See also==
*[[irc-meetups]]
*[[discuss|Other discussion fora]]

plant-examples

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= Plants Examples =
Proposing a microformat to describe a particular plant, classified by its latin name. Plants all have common attributes associated with them related to appearance, growing conditions, disease, pests, maintenance etc. Many websites publish information about plants, but as yet this information is not open to exchange and aggregation.

== The Problem ==
To collect information on the current status of plant related information on the web.

Here are a few possible applications:

* Collection of distributed plant information from the web into larger plant databases. There is a lot of information currently available on the web both in large plant databases and indivual's sites, but there is no way to efficiently build a reference material on top of this.
* Plant catalogs can be published by retailers and the information about what can be bought where, can be easily aggregated.
* Building up personal catalogs of plants, so I can have a customized view on my own plants that I grow, telling me more about them.

== Participants ==
* Mark Gibbons
== Real-World Examples ==

=== [http://www.crocus.co.uk/findplant/ Crocus] ===
Crocus is an plant catalog containing listings of plants available for purchase online. Many nurseries and garden centers now offer online purchasing possibilities. There are hundreds if not thousands of similar sites currently online, both big and small. Other examples are:

* [http://www.stokeseeds.com/cgi-bin/StokesSeeds.storefront Stokes Seeds]
* [http://www.gardenexpress.com.au/ Garden Express]
* [https://www.fernview.com.au/orderform.php Fernview]
* [http://www.ashridgetrees.co.uk Ashridge Hedging & Trees]
* [http://www.diggingdog.com/pages2/catalog.php Digging dog nursery]
* [http://www.bluegrassgardens.com/ Bluegrass Gardens Nursery]
* [http://www.hedgesonline.com HedgesOnline Hedging plant nursery]
* [http://www.millfarmtrees.co.uk Mill Farm Plants Hedging & Trees]
* [https://www.gardenbeauty.co.uk/ Garden Beauty Hebes Shrubs & Grasses]

=== [http://growstuff.org/ Growstuff] ===

Growstuff is one of a number of open source gardening and agriculture projects. You can find several others listed on [http://wiki.growstuff.org/index.php/Similar_projects Growstuff's similar projects list] and [http://www.openfoodfoundation.org/document/open-source-food-projects-list-wiki Open Food Foundation's list].

Growstuff has a [http://growstuff.org/crops crop database] of edible plants, and allows members to record what they have planted and harvested (like a garden journal), keep track of what seeds they have, etc. Each crop page has basic information about the crop (name, scientific name(s), etc) as well as planting and growing information aggregated from members' garden journals (eg. "plant in full sun or semi shade", "plant from seedling or root division"). Planting information, though at present global, is intended to be offered specifically for local environments -- a crop that grows in full sun in a cool temperate climate may require shade in a warmer one. Similarly, planting dates vary widely according to hemisphere and climate.

One important point to note is that species identifiers are highly problematic for gardeners, especially when it comes to food crops, as many food crops share a species. For instance, all varieties of lettuce are the same species, as are all varieties of tomato. All chilli/pepper varieties are just 4 species, all squashes (from zucchini to giant pumpkins) share just 3 species, etc. Even subspecies/varieties/etc don't work, as for instance kale and collard greens are both "Brassica oleracea var. acephela". These distinctions are important to food gardeners and cooks, though presumably not to biologists.

=== [http://www.paghat.com/garden.html Paghat's Garden] ===

Paghat's garden is an individual's site, documenting the plants grown in one garden. It is a good example of a gardener sharing useful information via the website. Currently the amount of information shared on the internet by individual gardener's on there own site or via a blog is limited. Given the right tools and incentives, the sharing of information in this way will increase.

=== [http://www.davesgarden.com/ Dave's Garden] ===

=== [http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening BBC Gardening] ===

The BBC maintains a large database of plants for use in their gardening site. Information from the "[http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening/plants/plant_finder/index.shtml plant finder]" contains:

*Common Name: Blue African lily
*Genus: Agapanthus
*Cultivar: 'Lilliput'
*Skill Level: Beginner
*Exposure: Full sun
*Hardiness: Hardy
*Soil type: Well-drained/light, Moist
*Height: 40cm
*Spread: 40cm
*Time to divide plants: March to April
*Flowering period: August to September

*Description:
Standing at only 40cm (16in) high, 'Lilliput'is perfect for smaller gardens and patio containers. Its trumpet-shaped rich blue flowers add a touch of the exotic to displays from mid- to late summer. Grow in moist but well-drained soil in a sunny spot. In colder areas, put on a dry mulch for winter.

([http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening/plants/plant_finder/plant_pages/3553.shtml Blue African Lily example source])

== Existing Practices ==
* Botanical names are often used as the title. More on botanical names [http://www.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/plantnaming.asp here].
* Common attributes are readily identifiable. Such as
** water requirements
** light requirements
** temperature requirements
** plant type (tree, shrub, perrenial)
** soil requirements
* Some of the above attributes have been standardized already such as [http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/ushzmap.html temperature requirements], others vary more, but have common features.
* Plant appearance is often described as free text.
* Images are often associated with plants.
* ''Other attempts to solve The Problem''

== Proposal ==
* Early drafts
* ''Link to related pages as they become available''
** -brainstorming
** - proposal
** -microformat
== See Also ==
* ''Other microformats''
* ''Normative references for tags used''
* [[species]]
:Proposed scheme for marking up scientific names. If adopted, a plant microformat (with care regime, supplier, etc.), could contain a scientific name microformat, in the same way that an [[hCalendar]] can contain an [[hCard]].