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RyanKing: Reverted edits by CoacrIcccn (Talk) to last version by Brian

2009-01-06T19:52:34Z

Reverted edits by CoacrIcccn (Talk) to last version by Brian

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	*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"		*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"
	*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.		*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.
	** Let me say that I actually like and use ~~ÂµFs~~ a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)		** Let me say that I actually like and use µFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
	*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.		*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

CoacrIcccn: eltgetbora

2009-01-06T15:31:59Z

eltgetbora

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	*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"		*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"
	*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.		*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.
	** Let me say that I actually like and use ~~µFs~~ a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)		** Let me say that I actually like and use ÂµFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
	*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.		*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

Brian: Reverted edits by MonvaRtaal (Talk) to last version by AndyMabbett

2008-12-20T21:11:42Z

Reverted edits by MonvaRtaal (Talk) to last version by AndyMabbett

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	*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"		*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"
	*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.		*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.
	** Let me say that I actually like and use ~~ÂµFs~~ a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)		** Let me say that I actually like and use µFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
	*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.		*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

MonvaRtaal: olorolrac

2008-12-19T15:17:11Z

olorolrac

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	*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"		*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"
	*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.		*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.
	** Let me say that I actually like and use ~~µFs~~ a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)		** Let me say that I actually like and use ÂµFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
	*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.		*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

AndyMabbett: /* Recent */ restore critisism

2008-02-12T18:07:30Z

Recent: restore critisism

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	==Recent==		==Recent==
	* [http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/some-challenges-in-current-dataportability-trends/ Some challenges in current DataPortability trends] - 2008-02-11. Note item 2, "Some sort of best practice text and/or iconography is required around fields that will be marked up with XFN - particularly if rel=me will be used to that users can make informed decisions about the type of data they provide and how it might be used."		* [http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/some-challenges-in-current-dataportability-trends/ Some challenges in current DataPortability trends] - 2008-02-11. Note item 2, "Many users are not aware when XFN data is included around URLs they enter, much less when the URLs are marked as rel=me. [...] Some sort of best practice text and/or iconography is required around fields that will be marked up with XFN - particularly if rel=me will be used to that users can make informed decisions about the type of data they provide and how it might be used."
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Brian: re-ordered date´s and added more context

2008-02-12T12:59:43Z

re-ordered date´s and added more context

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	==Recent==		==Recent==
	* [http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/some-challenges-in-current-dataportability-trends/ Some challenges in current DataPortability trends] - 2008-02-11. Note item 2, "~~Many users are not aware when XFN data~~ is ~~included~~ around ~~URLs they enter, much less when the URLs are~~ marked as rel=me."		* [http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/some-challenges-in-current-dataportability-trends/ Some challenges in current DataPortability trends] - 2008-02-11. Note item 2, "Some sort of best practice text and/or iconography is required around fields that will be marked up with XFN - particularly if rel=me will be used to that users can make informed decisions about the type of data they provide and how it might be used."
	* ...		* ...

	~~==2006==~~
	*[http://www.voiceoftech.com/swhitley/index.php/?p=159 Committing An Act of hEresy - Part I] - 2006-12-11. Completely misrepresents microformats.
	*[http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6167&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Use of 'abbr' in microformats] - 2006-09-20. Issues: use of 'abbr'; Julian dates
	*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"
	*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.
	** Let me say that I actually like and use µFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
	*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

	==2007==		==2007==
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	Creating an arbitrary number of domain-specific, or culture-specific, or company-specific microformats is a non-goal. See the [[microformats]] [[principles]].		Creating an arbitrary number of domain-specific, or culture-specific, or company-specific microformats is a non-goal. See the [[microformats]] [[principles]].


			==2006==
			*[http://www.voiceoftech.com/swhitley/index.php/?p=159 Committing An Act of hEresy - Part I] - 2006-12-11. Completely misrepresents microformats.
			*[http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6167&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Use of 'abbr' in microformats] - 2006-09-20. Issues: use of 'abbr'; Julian dates
			*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"
			*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.
			** Let me say that I actually like and use µFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
			*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

	==See also==		==See also==

AndyMabbett: Some challenges in current DataPortability trends

2008-02-12T09:06:32Z

Some challenges in current DataPortability trends

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	==Recent==		==Recent==
			* [http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/some-challenges-in-current-dataportability-trends/ Some challenges in current DataPortability trends] - 2008-02-11. Note item 2, "Many users are not aware when XFN data is included around URLs they enter, much less when the URLs are marked as rel=me."
	* ...		* ...

Tantek: added a criticism that was added to misconceptions, and followed up with a response

2007-09-27T22:52:22Z

added a criticism that was added to misconceptions, and followed up with a response

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	=Criticism=		<h1>Criticism</h1>

	From time to time, there is criticism of a single, or all, microformats. Some is constructive, other less so.		From time to time, there is criticism of a single, or all, microformats. Some is constructive, other less so.
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	==Recent==		==Recent==
	*~~[http://www~~.~~webaim~~.org/discussion/mail_thread.php?thread=3259 WebAIM discussion of microformat accessibility] - 2007-01 / 2007-02. Includes discussion of [[abbr-design-pattern]]. Summary: criticism is nearly all from [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ Jukka "Yucca" Korpela]. If you dig deep (do your best to dig past / ignore / filter inflammatory rhetoric and ridicule, e.g. use of the term "microbabble") you can find a few points we can use to improve microformats.		* ...

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	** Let me say that I actually like and use µFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)		** Let me say that I actually like and use µFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
	*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.		*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

			==2007==
			*[http://www.webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread.php?thread=3259 WebAIM discussion of microformat accessibility] - 2007-01 / 2007-02. Includes discussion of [[abbr-design-pattern]].
			Summary: criticism is nearly all from [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ Jukka "Yucca" Korpela]. If you dig deep (do your best to dig past / ignore / filter inflammatory rhetoric and ridicule, e.g. use of the term "microbabble") you can find a few points we can use to improve microformats.

			* 2007-09-27 added to [[misconceptions]]: ''Web client software has to be all updated for the latest microformats which they want to support. While this would scale for a small number of well-known global microformats, it does not scale when domain-specific, or culture-specific, or company-specific microformats are added.''

			While it is true that currently web tools are being updated for new microformats, and bug fixes/clarifications in existing microformats, this is no different than web tools being updated to support fixes to HTML in the 1990s, or being continuously updated for the latest CSS features and fixes which they want to support.

			Creating an arbitrary number of domain-specific, or culture-specific, or company-specific microformats is a non-goal. See the [[microformats]] [[principles]].

	==See also==		==See also==

Evan: Well, not entirely ''criticism'' per se

2007-07-18T04:12:14Z

Well, not entirely ''criticism'' per se

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	*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"		*[http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats/ Must Ignore vs. Microformats] - 2006-07-12. Issues: "XML would be better"
	*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.		*[http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats RDFa vs microformats] - 2006-05-29. Issues: lack of co-ordination & compatibility.
			** Let me say that I actually like and use µFs a lot. I just think there's a potential for a conflict with RDFa in the future, and I think that it's best for developers if that conflict doesn't happen. --[[User:Evan\|Evan]] 21:12, 17 Jul 2007 (PDT)
	*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.		*[http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2006/01/limitations-of-rel-microformat.html limitations of rel="tag" microformat] - 2006-01-17 Summary: Under the current draft, tags and relevant tagspaces are potentially hard to create; and it's still easy to abuse the system. Humans can still be tricked and so can the machines. It's a great spec if you happen to have a compliant directory structure, but if your site doesn't match then you either recreate your entire system... or, more likely, you sadly advise the client that tags aren't happening.

Tantek: noted warning of inflammatory rhetoric and ridicule to set proper context before trusting readers venture forth

2007-03-24T17:54:52Z

noted warning of inflammatory rhetoric and ridicule to set proper context before trusting readers venture forth

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	==Recent==		==Recent==
	*[http://www.webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread.php?thread=3259 WebAIM discussion of microformat accessibility] - 2007-01 / 2007-02. Includes discussion of [[abbr-design-pattern]]. Summary: criticism is nearly all from [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ Jukka "Yucca" Korpela]. If you dig deep you can find a few points we can use to improve microformats.		*[http://www.webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread.php?thread=3259 WebAIM discussion of microformat accessibility] - 2007-01 / 2007-02. Includes discussion of [[abbr-design-pattern]]. Summary: criticism is nearly all from [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ Jukka "Yucca" Korpela]. If you dig deep (do your best to dig past / ignore / filter inflammatory rhetoric and ridicule, e.g. use of the term "microbabble") you can find a few points we can use to improve microformats.

	==2006==		==2006==