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	'''Tantek ~~Ãelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Good morning everyone. Let's go ahead and get started. This is the microformats session. I'm Tantek ~~Ãelik~~, your moderator for this panel. And we've got a great set of speakers here that are going to show off various things they've done with microformats. Anywhere from just adding some extra semantics to their sites to some tools that are already been developed that can consume and display and browse microformats.		Good morning everyone. Let's go ahead and get started. This is the microformats session. I'm Tantek Çelik, your moderator for this panel. And we've got a great set of speakers here that are going to show off various things they've done with microformats. Anywhere from just adding some extra semantics to their sites to some tools that are already been developed that can consume and display and browse microformats.

	First, I'd like to say this entire presentation, at least the hypertext of my presentation, is licensed under Creative Commons attribution license.		First, I'd like to say this entire presentation, at least the hypertext of my presentation, is licensed under Creative Commons attribution license.
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	So on this page there is... the hReview microformat has an awful lot of information on it and our reviews don't have anywhere near as much as that. Plus hReview was really -- well the version I looked at at the time -- was designed for individuals reviewing things. The reviews that we have more from actual data provided, such as in this case cinema source who other that people give us the data. So we didn't use much of the hReview format but we used it anyway. Of course, other Yahoo properties that use hReview that I know that use microformats, as Tantek said earlier is blo.gs and Upcoming. Upcoming was the first of big sites that used hCalendar?		So on this page there is... the hReview microformat has an awful lot of information on it and our reviews don't have anywhere near as much as that. Plus hReview was really -- well the version I looked at at the time -- was designed for individuals reviewing things. The reviews that we have more from actual data provided, such as in this case cinema source who other that people give us the data. So we didn't use much of the hReview format but we used it anyway. Of course, other Yahoo properties that use hReview that I know that use microformats, as Tantek said earlier is blo.gs and Upcoming. Upcoming was the first of big sites that used hCalendar?

	'''Tantek ~~Ãelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Right. So Upcoming was definitely the first site that picked up the hCalendar format and deployed it across all their events. I actually don't know how many events Upcoming has but it's got a lot. I'm guessing there's somewhere in the hundreds of thousands. If someone from Upcoming is here then perhaps they can let us know.		Right. So Upcoming was definitely the first site that picked up the hCalendar format and deployed it across all their events. I actually don't know how many events Upcoming has but it's got a lot. I'm guessing there's somewhere in the hundreds of thousands. If someone from Upcoming is here then perhaps they can let us know.

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	And obviously the last, Upcoming. I went to this party, I had an awful lot of alcohol. On this page, the information about this party is marked up using microformats and you can extract that and do what you like with it. And that's me. Thank you.		And obviously the last, Upcoming. I went to this party, I had an awful lot of alcohol. On this page, the information about this party is marked up using microformats and you can extract that and do what you like with it. And that's me. Thank you.

	'''Tantek ~~Ãelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Thanks Mark. [clapping]. Next up we got Jeremy Keith, who's going to show us a little something that he put together just for the conference and then showed around to a few friends. I'm like, "Wow, that's pretty cool. You need to show that off."		Thanks Mark. [clapping]. Next up we got Jeremy Keith, who's going to show us a little something that he put together just for the conference and then showed around to a few friends. I'm like, "Wow, that's pretty cool. You need to show that off."

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	That's pretty much it. That was just a little page I put together just for myself but it proved useful to other people, and I've been making good use of it.		That's pretty much it. That was just a little page I put together just for myself but it proved useful to other people, and I've been making good use of it.

	'''Tantek ~~Ãelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Thanks Jeremy. So one of the things I wanted to ask about is have you ever created an ICS file yourself, like on your website?		Thanks Jeremy. So one of the things I wanted to ask about is have you ever created an ICS file yourself, like on your website?

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	No. What I've done in the past is put up an actual vCard for download. But I've never....		No. What I've done in the past is put up an actual vCard for download. But I've never....

	'''Tantek ~~Ãelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Right. When you did that did you find any sort of challenges with say like MIME types or anything else dealing with that kind of thing?		Right. When you did that did you find any sort of challenges with say like MIME types or anything else dealing with that kind of thing?

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	The vCard seem to be OK. There may be challenges but I didn't discover them. But once I came across hCard I thought, well, that's just so much simpler to do that. Have it on the web page itself. Downloadable if they want it.		The vCard seem to be OK. There may be challenges but I didn't discover them. But once I came across hCard I thought, well, that's just so much simpler to do that. Have it on the web page itself. Downloadable if they want it.

	'''Tantek ~~Ãelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Right. So basically using the class names as opposed to uploading a file was a difference there in the experience.		Right. So basically using the class names as opposed to uploading a file was a difference there in the experience.

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	If you can have it in the markup rather than putting in any kind of file that has to downloaded before you can read what's in it just makes so much more sense. It's just more easily available.		If you can have it in the markup rather than putting in any kind of file that has to downloaded before you can read what's in it just makes so much more sense. It's just more easily available.

	'''Tantek ~~Ãelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Okay. Cool. All right. Well, before we got to our last presenter, I actually found the problem I was having with the demo was my fault, not the service's problem. I had a URL problem. So if you can switch back. So for those of you that actually loaded my presentation make sure you do a refresh, reload. It's already been updated: real-time web that we have here.		Okay. Cool. All right. Well, before we got to our last presenter, I actually found the problem I was having with the demo was my fault, not the service's problem. I had a URL problem. So if you can switch back. So for those of you that actually loaded my presentation make sure you do a refresh, reload. It's already been updated: real-time web that we have here.

CaacdOmchi: varcraclal

2008-12-19T22:55:16Z

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	== Transcript ==		== Transcript ==

	'''Tantek ~~Çelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Ãelik:'''
	Good morning everyone. Let's go ahead and get started. This is the microformats session. I'm Tantek ~~Çelik~~, your moderator for this panel. And we've got a great set of speakers here that are going to show off various things they've done with microformats. Anywhere from just adding some extra semantics to their sites to some tools that are already been developed that can consume and display and browse microformats.		Good morning everyone. Let's go ahead and get started. This is the microformats session. I'm Tantek Ãelik, your moderator for this panel. And we've got a great set of speakers here that are going to show off various things they've done with microformats. Anywhere from just adding some extra semantics to their sites to some tools that are already been developed that can consume and display and browse microformats.

	First, I'd like to say this entire presentation, at least the hypertext of my presentation, is licensed under Creative Commons attribution license.		First, I'd like to say this entire presentation, at least the hypertext of my presentation, is licensed under Creative Commons attribution license.
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	So on this page there is... the hReview microformat has an awful lot of information on it and our reviews don't have anywhere near as much as that. Plus hReview was really -- well the version I looked at at the time -- was designed for individuals reviewing things. The reviews that we have more from actual data provided, such as in this case cinema source who other that people give us the data. So we didn't use much of the hReview format but we used it anyway. Of course, other Yahoo properties that use hReview that I know that use microformats, as Tantek said earlier is blo.gs and Upcoming. Upcoming was the first of big sites that used hCalendar?		So on this page there is... the hReview microformat has an awful lot of information on it and our reviews don't have anywhere near as much as that. Plus hReview was really -- well the version I looked at at the time -- was designed for individuals reviewing things. The reviews that we have more from actual data provided, such as in this case cinema source who other that people give us the data. So we didn't use much of the hReview format but we used it anyway. Of course, other Yahoo properties that use hReview that I know that use microformats, as Tantek said earlier is blo.gs and Upcoming. Upcoming was the first of big sites that used hCalendar?

	'''Tantek ~~Çelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Ãelik:'''
	Right. So Upcoming was definitely the first site that picked up the hCalendar format and deployed it across all their events. I actually don't know how many events Upcoming has but it's got a lot. I'm guessing there's somewhere in the hundreds of thousands. If someone from Upcoming is here then perhaps they can let us know.		Right. So Upcoming was definitely the first site that picked up the hCalendar format and deployed it across all their events. I actually don't know how many events Upcoming has but it's got a lot. I'm guessing there's somewhere in the hundreds of thousands. If someone from Upcoming is here then perhaps they can let us know.

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	And obviously the last, Upcoming. I went to this party, I had an awful lot of alcohol. On this page, the information about this party is marked up using microformats and you can extract that and do what you like with it. And that's me. Thank you.		And obviously the last, Upcoming. I went to this party, I had an awful lot of alcohol. On this page, the information about this party is marked up using microformats and you can extract that and do what you like with it. And that's me. Thank you.

	'''Tantek ~~Çelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Ãelik:'''
	Thanks Mark. [clapping]. Next up we got Jeremy Keith, who's going to show us a little something that he put together just for the conference and then showed around to a few friends. I'm like, "Wow, that's pretty cool. You need to show that off."		Thanks Mark. [clapping]. Next up we got Jeremy Keith, who's going to show us a little something that he put together just for the conference and then showed around to a few friends. I'm like, "Wow, that's pretty cool. You need to show that off."

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	That's pretty much it. That was just a little page I put together just for myself but it proved useful to other people, and I've been making good use of it.		That's pretty much it. That was just a little page I put together just for myself but it proved useful to other people, and I've been making good use of it.

	'''Tantek ~~Çelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Ãelik:'''
	Thanks Jeremy. So one of the things I wanted to ask about is have you ever created an ICS file yourself, like on your website?		Thanks Jeremy. So one of the things I wanted to ask about is have you ever created an ICS file yourself, like on your website?

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	No. What I've done in the past is put up an actual vCard for download. But I've never....		No. What I've done in the past is put up an actual vCard for download. But I've never....

	'''Tantek ~~Çelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Ãelik:'''
	Right. When you did that did you find any sort of challenges with say like MIME types or anything else dealing with that kind of thing?		Right. When you did that did you find any sort of challenges with say like MIME types or anything else dealing with that kind of thing?

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	The vCard seem to be OK. There may be challenges but I didn't discover them. But once I came across hCard I thought, well, that's just so much simpler to do that. Have it on the web page itself. Downloadable if they want it.		The vCard seem to be OK. There may be challenges but I didn't discover them. But once I came across hCard I thought, well, that's just so much simpler to do that. Have it on the web page itself. Downloadable if they want it.

	'''Tantek ~~Çelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Ãelik:'''
	Right. So basically using the class names as opposed to uploading a file was a difference there in the experience.		Right. So basically using the class names as opposed to uploading a file was a difference there in the experience.

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	If you can have it in the markup rather than putting in any kind of file that has to downloaded before you can read what's in it just makes so much more sense. It's just more easily available.		If you can have it in the markup rather than putting in any kind of file that has to downloaded before you can read what's in it just makes so much more sense. It's just more easily available.

	'''Tantek ~~Çelik~~:'''		'''Tantek Ãelik:'''
	Okay. Cool. All right. Well, before we got to our last presenter, I actually found the problem I was having with the demo was my fault, not the service's problem. I had a URL problem. So if you can switch back. So for those of you that actually loaded my presentation make sure you do a refresh, reload. It's already been updated: real-time web that we have here.		Okay. Cool. All right. Well, before we got to our last presenter, I actually found the problem I was having with the demo was my fault, not the service's problem. I had a URL problem. So if you can switch back. So for those of you that actually loaded my presentation make sure you do a refresh, reload. It's already been updated: real-time web that we have here.

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	So I put this up. I had my microformats and I basically just had hCalendar and I had the Google maps mashup. And Tantek saw it and he said oh that's so cool but why don't you do this, and realized there were more microformats I could put in so that's where the hCards came from. And the nice thing, when I did this and I hadn't planned to do it, but you can link off to services on Technorati that will grab any hCalendars or any hCards on a page, just it pass it a URL and it will create an iCal for you. So I linked to Technorati and that will automatically download the iCal, which is very useful. Some friends of mine did this, they said, "I'm going to go to all the same events so I'm just going to pop that into my iCal." And they show up like that. You can see all the ones in blue down on the bottom, they came from that page. And then I can sync it up with my phone, I can sync it up with my iPod. I don't get the maps then, which is a bit of a shame, but because Austin is bathed in WiFi, as long as I have my laptop with me I can always find out where I need to go for the next party.		So I put this up. I had my microformats and I basically just had hCalendar and I had the Google maps mashup. And Tantek saw it and he said oh that's so cool but why don't you do this, and realized there were more microformats I could put in so that's where the hCards came from. And the nice thing, when I did this and I hadn't planned to do it, but you can link off to services on Technorati that will grab any hCalendars or any hCards on a page, just it pass it a URL and it will create an iCal for you. So I linked to Technorati and that will automatically download the iCal, which is very useful. Some friends of mine did this, they said, "I'm going to go to all the same events so I'm just going to pop that into my iCal." And they show up like that. You can see all the ones in blue down on the bottom, they came from that page. And then I can sync it up with my phone, I can sync it up with my iPod. I don't get the maps then, which is a bit of a shame, but because Austin is bathed in WiFi, as long as I have my laptop with me I can always find out where I need to go for the next party.

	This did prove useful for other people, aside from when I first marked this up I wasn't thinking about time zones, so when I first marked this up I didn't put in the minus six hours. I'm in the Greenwich Mean tribe. I'm used to just thinking we're the ~~centre~~ of the world. Time zones, what's that? As Tantek pointed out, Austin was six hours behind England so I had to take that into account. But another friend of mine, Ian Lloyd, downloaded the calendar and he was saying the dates are all screwed up, but actually once you get to Austin and you set your preferences to US Central then the events fall into place and everything looks good. iCal could be a bit better with how it handles time zones, I think. It's a little bit fuzzy but that's a problem with iCal and certainly not with the format, the hCalendar.		This did prove useful for other people, aside from when I first marked this up I wasn't thinking about time zones, so when I first marked this up I didn't put in the minus six hours. I'm in the Greenwich Mean tribe. I'm used to just thinking we're the center of the world. Time zones, what's that? As Tantek pointed out, Austin was six hours behind England so I had to take that into account. But another friend of mine, Ian Lloyd, downloaded the calendar and he was saying the dates are all screwed up, but actually once you get to Austin and you set your preferences to US Central then the events fall into place and everything looks good. iCal could be a bit better with how it handles time zones, I think. It's a little bit fuzzy but that's a problem with iCal and certainly not with the format, the hCalendar.

	So on Tantek's recommendations I cleaned this up, put in the correct time zones, added the hCard. And the easiest microformat to add by far was to turn this into a XOXO, however you want to pronounce it. Tantek, do you have an opinion on how it should be pronounced? Hugs n' kisses, I turned it into a hugs n' kisses microformat by adding that. That was it because it's a nested list. It's lists within lists. That was by far the simplest microformat to add. So if anybody has cool tools that do stuff with XOXO like Greasemonkey scripts or bookmarklets that will toggle the list items they can do that with this page.		So on Tantek's recommendations I cleaned this up, put in the correct time zones, added the hCard. And the easiest microformat to add by far was to turn this into a XOXO, however you want to pronounce it. Tantek, do you have an opinion on how it should be pronounced? Hugs n' kisses, I turned it into a hugs n' kisses microformat by adding that. That was it because it's a nested list. It's lists within lists. That was by far the simplest microformat to add. So if anybody has cool tools that do stuff with XOXO like Greasemonkey scripts or bookmarklets that will toggle the list items they can do that with this page.

AndyMabbett: dab

2008-01-17T11:04:44Z

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	So the fourth link there, link to convert hCards to vCards. If you click that, what it'll do, like I said is send off the entire converted, the entire south by southwest speakers page with hCard markup added to it, then give you back a vCard file. This is actually a pretty sizable vCard file. Anyone want to take a guess, without actually counting obviously on the page, how many south by southwest speakers there are this year? About 400. So basically with a click of one link (now we'll see if this works) you can have all 388 speakers added to your address book along with their URLS. So say you saw a speaker and you were like, "Oh what was that that I saw? You know what was her name?" You can go check it out later on. I find this personally very handy just because I'm horrible at remembering names. Those of you who've met me probably know this so I find this a useful tool for that respect. Just with one simple addition like that. And the nice thing is that should the list of south by southwest speakers change like, for example, on this panel we had two more speakers than originally scheduled, they can simply update that one page, the speakers page, and not worry about "Oh, there's another side file I need to update" or whatever. And because it's all just hCard markup then just re-import and get all the new stuff in there directly. That's a lot of people.		So the fourth link there, link to convert hCards to vCards. If you click that, what it'll do, like I said is send off the entire converted, the entire south by southwest speakers page with hCard markup added to it, then give you back a vCard file. This is actually a pretty sizable vCard file. Anyone want to take a guess, without actually counting obviously on the page, how many south by southwest speakers there are this year? About 400. So basically with a click of one link (now we'll see if this works) you can have all 388 speakers added to your address book along with their URLS. So say you saw a speaker and you were like, "Oh what was that that I saw? You know what was her name?" You can go check it out later on. I find this personally very handy just because I'm horrible at remembering names. Those of you who've met me probably know this so I find this a useful tool for that respect. Just with one simple addition like that. And the nice thing is that should the list of south by southwest speakers change like, for example, on this panel we had two more speakers than originally scheduled, they can simply update that one page, the speakers page, and not worry about "Oh, there's another side file I need to update" or whatever. And because it's all just hCard markup then just re-import and get all the new stuff in there directly. That's a lot of people.

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2008-01-17T11:02:00Z

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Tantek at 15:05, 26 June 2006

2006-06-26T15:05:32Z

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	This is a transcript of the [[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats\|SXSW microformats panel]].		This is a transcript of the [[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats\|SXSW microformats panel]] from the [http://player.sxsw.com/2006/podcasts/SXSW06.INT.20060313.Microformats.mp3 audio recording].

	== Transcript ==		== Transcript ==

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2006-06-26T15:00:02Z

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			This is a transcript of the [[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats\|SXSW microformats panel]].

			== Transcript ==

	'''Tantek Çelik:'''		'''Tantek Çelik:'''
	Good morning everyone. Let's go ahead and get started. This is the microformats session. I'm Tantek Çelik, your moderator for this panel. And we've got a great set of speakers here that are going to show off various things they've done with microformats. Anywhere from just adding some extra semantics to their sites to some tools that are already been developed that can consume and display and browse microformats.		Good morning everyone. Let's go ahead and get started. This is the microformats session. I'm Tantek Çelik, your moderator for this panel. And we've got a great set of speakers here that are going to show off various things they've done with microformats. Anywhere from just adding some extra semantics to their sites to some tools that are already been developed that can consume and display and browse microformats.

Adactio at 12:00, 24 June 2006

2006-06-24T12:00:42Z

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