events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability - Revision history

Tantek: complete attendee list, a few notes tweaks

2007-09-28T18:54:04Z

complete attendee list, a few notes tweaks

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	Add yourself alphabetically sorted by last name if you attended.		Add yourself alphabetically sorted by last name if you attended.
	* [[User:Tantek\|Tantek Çelik]]		* [[User:Tantek\|Tantek Çelik]]
	* Larry Halff		* [[User:LarryHalff\|Larry Halff]]
	* Tara Hunt		* Tara Hunt
	* Ian McKellar		* Ian McKellar
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	* Luke Sontag		* Luke Sontag
	* Ariel Waldman		* Ariel Waldman
	* ...

	== notes ==		== notes ==
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	** gestures can renew halflife		** gestures can renew halflife
	** "vigor"		** "vigor"
	** tom morris's blogroll~~...~~		** tom morris's blogroll as xfn-based white-list of openID URLs for login/reveal more hCard info
	*** http://microformats.org/wiki/openid-brainstorming		*** http://microformats.org/wiki/openid-brainstorming
	** levels of contacts... social whitelisting by context... or location		** levels of contacts... social whitelisting by context... or location
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	** notices email... if someone signs up using that email, messages sent via them		** notices email... if someone signs up using that email, messages sent via them
	** need messaging via email/jabber/openid		** need messaging via email/jabber/openid
	* every generation is ~~more likely to share~~ more information for fame and ease of use...		* every generation is sharing more information for fame and ease of use...
	* need incremental benefits over time...		* need incremental benefits over time...
	* a lot of networks don't build in support for banning/blocking/abuse		* a lot of networks don't build in support for banning/blocking/abuse

	* the convenience of creating and establishing an openid...		* the convenience of creating and establishing an openid...
	** friending... blocking universally... across all sites...		** friending... blocking universally... across all sites...
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	* pownce... you add someone as friend... goes into friend requests... accept friend / no, leave as fan		* pownce... you add someone as friend... goes into friend requests... accept friend / no, leave as fan
	* openid for friends: add as friend, leave as fan, deny		* openid for friends: add as friend, leave as fan, deny
			* drop friend requests list... only have fans list... then check your fans list to add someone as a friend...
	* drop ~~friends~~ list... only have fans list... then check your fans list to add someone as a friend...
	* be able to request the ability to follow... without annoying someone with a friend request...		* be able to request the ability to follow... without annoying someone with a friend request...
	* no way to remove fans from your page		* no way to remove fans from your page
	* people feel bad listing best friends ... myspace/facebook? people will lie... people will go after someone's best friends...		* people feel bad listing best friends ... myspace/facebook? people will lie... people will go after someone's best friends...

	* people on livejournal edit their friends list often... there's a cost to having a long list of friends... binge and purge is how you cloak decay		* people on livejournal edit their friends list often... there's a cost to having a long list of friends... binge and purge is how you cloak decay

	* give choice on length of expiration...		* give choice on length of expiration...
	* decay could fall all the way down to fandom		* decay could fall all the way down to fandom

Tantek: fix TZ offset

2007-09-28T10:13:41Z

fix TZ offset

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	<div class="vevent">		<div class="vevent">
	;When		;When
	:<span class="dtstart">2007-09-25T17:30~~+0800~~</span> - <span class="dtend">2007-09-25T20:00~~+0800~~</span>		:<span class="dtstart">2007-09-25T17:30-0700</span> - <span class="dtend">2007-09-25T20:00-0700</span>
	;Where		;Where
	:<span class="location vcard"><span class="fn org">Citizen Space</span>, <span class="adr"><span class="street-address">425 Second St., #300</span>, <span class="locality">San Francisco</span>, <span class="region">CA</span>, <span class="country-name">USA</span></span></span>		:<span class="location vcard"><span class="fn org">Citizen Space</span>, <span class="adr"><span class="street-address">425 Second St., #300</span>, <span class="locality">San Francisco</span>, <span class="region">CA</span>, <span class="country-name">USA</span></span></span>

AndyMabbett: sorting

2007-09-27T17:46:21Z

sorting

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	Add yourself alphabetically sorted by last name if you attended.		Add yourself alphabetically sorted by last name if you attended.
	* [[User:Tantek\|Tantek Çelik]]		* [[User:Tantek\|Tantek Çelik]]
			* Larry Halff
			* Tara Hunt
			* Ian McKellar
	* [[User:Chris_Messina\|Chris Messina]]		* [[User:Chris_Messina\|Chris Messina]]
	* Luke Sontag		* Luke Sontag
	* Tara Hunt
	* Ariel Waldman		* Ariel Waldman
	* Larry Halff
	* Ian McKellar
	* ...		* ...

Chris Messina at 17:23, 27 September 2007

2007-09-27T17:23:50Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:23, 27 September 2007
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	One of several microformats [[events]] on [[social-network-portability]].		One of several microformats [[events]] on [[social-network-portability]].

	== ~~details~~ ==		== Details ==
			[http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/270928/ Upcoming Event]
	<div class="vevent">		<div class="vevent">
	;When		;When
	:~~<a href="http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/270928/" class="url">~~<span class="dtstart">2007-09-25T17:30+0800</span> - <span class="dtend">2007-09-25T20:00+0800</span~~></a~~>		:<span class="dtstart">2007-09-25T17:30+0800</span> - <span class="dtend">2007-09-25T20:00+0800</span>
	;Where		;Where
	:<span class="location vcard"><span class="fn org">Citizen Space</span>, <span class="adr"><span class="street-address">425 Second St., #300</span>, <span class="locality">San Francisco</span>, <span class="region">CA</span>, <span class="country-name">USA</span></span></span>		:<span class="location vcard"><span class="fn org">Citizen Space</span>, <span class="adr"><span class="street-address">425 Second St., #300</span>, <span class="locality">San Francisco</span>, <span class="region">CA</span>, <span class="country-name">USA</span></span></span>
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	== ~~attendees~~ ==		== Attendees ==
	Add yourself alphabetically sorted by last name if you attended.		Add yourself alphabetically sorted by last name if you attended.
	* [[User:Tantek\|Tantek Çelik]]		* [[User:Tantek\|Tantek Çelik]]
	* [[User:Chris_Messina\|Chris Messina]]		* [[User:Chris_Messina\|Chris Messina]]
	* Luke		* Luke Sontag
	* Tara Hunt		* Tara Hunt
	* Ariel Waldman		* Ariel Waldman

Chris Messina at 17:22, 27 September 2007

2007-09-27T17:22:31Z

New page

<h1>Portable Social Network Micro Meetup at Citizen Space</h1>
{{TOC-right}}
One of several microformats [[events]] on [[social-network-portability]].

== details ==
<div class="vevent">
;When
:<a href="http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/270928/" class="url">2007-09-25T17:30+0800 - 2007-09-25T20:00+0800</a>
;Where
:Citizen Space, 425 Second St., #300, San Francisco, CA, USA
;What
:[[social-network-portability]] series.
</div>

== attendees ==
Add yourself alphabetically sorted by last name if you attended.
* [[User:Tantek|Tantek Çelik]]
* [[User:Chris_Messina|Chris Messina]]
* Luke
* Tara Hunt
* Ariel Waldman
* Larry Halff
* Ian McKellar
* ...

== notes ==

(taken by Chris Messina)

* privacy models vs semantic relationships
** livejournal does a good job
** different contexts
** decay
** facebook shows private twitter if you import/aggregate private feeds...
* grand vision of the semantic web...
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:W3c-semantic-web-layers.svg
** no such thing as universal trust
* xfn
** folksonomic
** muse in romantic category... because of classical greek definition
* germany just passed 7 year marriage contract defaults
** http://buzzfeed.com/buzz/Temporary_Marriages
* decay/churn
** after X amount of time
** gestures can renew halflife
** "vigor"
** tom morris's blogroll...
*** http://microformats.org/wiki/openid-brainstorming
** levels of contacts... social whitelisting by context... or location
* magnolia does recommendations
** notices email... if someone signs up using that email, messages sent via them
** need messaging via email/jabber/openid
* every generation is more likely to share more information for fame and ease of use...
* need incremental benefits over time...
* a lot of networks don't build in support for banning/blocking/abuse

* the convenience of creating and establishing an openid...
** friending... blocking universally... across all sites...
** maybe it will prevent abuse because the value to an abuser of a reputable openid is high... i can block people universally based on their single openid...
* pownce... you add someone as friend... goes into friend requests... accept friend / no, leave as fan
* openid for friends: add as friend, leave as fan, deny

* drop friends list... only have fans list... then check your fans list to add someone as a friend...
* be able to request the ability to follow... without annoying someone with a friend request...
* no way to remove fans from your page
* people feel bad listing best friends ... myspace/facebook? people will lie... people will go after someone's best friends...

* people on livejournal edit their friends list often... there's a cost to having a long list of friends... binge and purge is how you cloak decay

* give choice on length of expiration...
* decay could fall all the way down to fandom

* proximity + context + group (grid model...)... time, tags, geo...
* imagine your friends as records in the itunes library... all the different types of smart filters...
* how or do you re-share information?

**Groups**

* on openid endpoint... could list rel-groups... site could pull in all your groups... and subscribe to them... if you remove a link to a group, you've unsubscribed
* use oauth to maintain our list of groups?

== see also ==
* [[social-network-portability]]
* [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]]
* [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]]
* [[hcard|hCard]]
* [[xfn|XFN]]

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