isbn - Revision history

AndyMabbett: /* See also */ issn (was orphan page)

2008-01-28T14:15:37Z

AndyMabbett: tag spaces

2007-03-19T22:48:36Z

tag spaces

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	Additional examples should be created using UID and mark-up examples that already exist in the wild should be marked-up to see if UID covers all these scenarios.		Additional examples should be created using UID and mark-up examples that already exist in the wild should be marked-up to see if UID covers all these scenarios.

			==See also==
			[[rel-tag-spaces#ISBN\|ISBN tag spaces]]

AndyMabbett: /* Next steps */ sp., refelct on-going discussion

2007-03-19T12:06:31Z

Next steps: sp., refelct on-going discussion

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	==Next steps==		==Next steps==

	~~Look into how~~ ISBNs ~~can~~ be used as TYPEs of UIDs		Decide whether ISBNs should be used as TYPEs of UIDs, or be a stand-alone microformat.

	A test-case implementation should be made available, perhaps in a beta version of Operator.		A test-case implementation should be made available, perhaps in a beta version of Operator.

	A [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test page using class="isbn"], which has two with "X" check digits, is available and further examples can be added to it. Additional examples should be created using UID and mark-up examples that already exist in the wild should be marked-up to see if UID covers all these ~~senarios~~.		A [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test page using class="isbn"], which has two with "X" check digits, is available and further examples can be added to it.

			Additional examples should be created using UID and mark-up examples that already exist in the wild should be marked-up to see if UID covers all these scenarios.

Brian: Added discussion about merging to UID

2007-03-19T10:00:57Z

Added discussion about merging to UID

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	==Next steps==		==Next steps==

	~~All that remains is to agree a suitable class-name (ISBN vs. hISBN, for example).~~		Look into how ISBNs can be used as TYPEs of UIDs

	A test-case implementation should be made available, perhaps in a beta version of Operator.		A test-case implementation should be made available, perhaps in a beta version of Operator.

	A [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test page using class="isbn"], which has two with "X" check digits, is available and further examples can be added to it.		A [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test page using class="isbn"], which has two with "X" check digits, is available and further examples can be added to it. Additional examples should be created using UID and mark-up examples that already exist in the wild should be marked-up to see if UID covers all these senarios.

AndyMabbett: /* Evidence */

2007-03-18T11:53:58Z

Evidence

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	<pre><nowiki>		<pre><nowiki>
	<span class="isbnNumber">the ISBN of book #42 is		<span class="isbnNumber">the ISBN of book #42 is 0195162471</span>
	0195162471</span>
	</nowiki></pre>		</nowiki></pre>

AndyMabbett at 11:51, 18 March 2007

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	=ISBN=		=ISBN=

	[copy of mailing list post; currently unformatted and unedited - work in progress]		[copy of [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-March/000050.html mailing list post]; currently unformatted and unedited - work in progress]

	==Abstract==		==Abstract==

AndyMabbett: /* Evidence */

2007-03-18T11:48:16Z

Evidence

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	<pre><nowiki>		<pre><nowiki>
	<div class="isbn">0-313-32847-1</div>		<div class="isbn">0-313-32847-1</div>

	<span id="lblIsbn">0-313-32847-1</span>		<span id="lblIsbn">0-313-32847-1</span>

AndyMabbett at 11:47, 18 March 2007

2007-03-18T11:47:02Z

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	==Abstract==		==Abstract==

	We can have microformats for ISBNs and ISSNs. The very specific nature of the way in which those codes are formatted means that further evidence gathering would be superfluous. Such microformats would be useful components in a number of other, currently-proposed, microformats. Acting now will ensure that a standard method can be applied across such be formats		We can, quickly, have microformats for ISBNs and ISSNs. The very specific nature of the way in which those codes are formatted means that further evidence gathering would be superfluous. Such microformats would be useful components in a number of other, currently-proposed, microformats. Acting now will ensure that a standard method can be applied across such be formats

	==Editor==		==Editor==
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	==Problem==		==Problem==
	How to mark-up ISBN numbers, so that they can be extracted and the relevant book found on on-line library catalogues, bookshops, etc.		How to mark-up ISBN numbers, so that they can be extracted and the relevant book found on on-line library catalogues, bookshops, etc., for example in the way which [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Booksources&isbn=0950788120 Wikipedia uses ISBNs]. Indeed, that service could be the target used by a user agent (as could [http://worldcat.org/issn/0006-3657 WorldCat for ISSNs]). This would be of benefit the many thousands of publishers, and the any millions of consumers, of ISBNs and ISSNs.

	How to make a standard ISBN microformat available as a component for other microformats		How to make a standard ISBN microformat available as a component for other microformats.

	[http://tinyurl.com/39ytlp ISBNs include a checksum digit] and can (only) be either 10 or 13 digits long. (ISSNs are 8 digits)		[http://tinyurl.com/39ytlp ISBNs include a checksum digit] and can (only) be either 10 or 13 digits long. (ISSNs are 8 digits)
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	then a parser may simply discard the results as invalid - and thus requiring a more tightly applied element.		then a parser may simply discard the results as invalid - and thus requiring a more tightly applied element.

	==~~Use case~~==		==Next steps==

	Marking up ISBNs would allow tools to enable users to quickly locate the relevant title in a shop or library; for example in the way which [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Booksources&isbn=0950788120 Wikipedia uses ISBNs]. Indeed, that service could be the target used by a user agent (as could [http://worldcat.org/issn/0006-3657 WorldCat for ISSNs]).

	~~==Conclusion==~~

	We could, quickly, have uFs for ISBN and ISSN; and that this would be of benefit to the development of any other uF which includes an ISBN or ISSN component - as well as benefiting the many thousands of publishers, and the any millions of consumers, of ISBNs and ISSNs.

	All that remains is to agree a suitable class-name (ISBN vs. hISBN, for example).		All that remains is to agree a suitable class-name (ISBN vs. hISBN, for example).

	~~==Next steps==~~

	A test-case implementation should be made available, perhaps in a beta version of Operator.		A test-case implementation should be made available, perhaps in a beta version of Operator.

	A [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test~~-case (~~using class="isbn")], which has two with "X" check digits, is available and further examples can be added to it.		A [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test page using class="isbn"], which has two with "X" check digits, is available and further examples can be added to it.

AndyMabbett at 11:44, 18 March 2007

2007-03-18T11:44:02Z

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	==Problem==		==Problem==
	How to mark-up ISBN numbers, so that they can be extracted and the relevant book found on on-line ~~libarry~~ catalogues, ~~bokoshops~~, etc.		How to mark-up ISBN numbers, so that they can be extracted and the relevant book found on on-line library catalogues, bookshops, etc.

	How to make a standard ISBN microformat ~~avaialble~~ as a component for ~~oter~~ microformats		How to make a standard ISBN microformat available as a component for other microformats

			[http://tinyurl.com/39ytlp ISBNs include a checksum digit] and can (only) be either 10 or 13 digits long. (ISSNs are 8 digits)

	==Proposal==		==Proposal==
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	There as been previous discussion of marking-up ISBNs ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISBN International Standard Book Numbers]); for example around the [[citation-examples\|proposed citation microformat]].		There as been previous discussion of marking-up ISBNs ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISBN International Standard Book Numbers]); for example around the [[citation-examples\|proposed citation microformat]].

	~~[http://tinyurl.com/39ytlp ISBNs include a checksum digit] and can (only) be either 10 or 13 digits long.~~		I ([[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]]) believe, however, that a microformat for ISBN should stand alone, and thus be available for use in any other microformat (for [[recipe]]s, for example, or for [[hresume\|hResume]], [[hatom\|hAtom]], [[hreview\|hReview]] or [[hlisting\|hListing]], as well as citations).

	I ([[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]]) believe, however, that a microformat for ISBN should stand alone, and thus be available for use in any other microformat (for [[recipe]]s, for example, or for [[hresume\|hResume]], [[hatom\|hAtom]], [[hreview\|hReview]] or [[hlisting\|hListing]]).

	==Evidence==		==Evidence==

	~~I then started to think about evidence-gathering, and it occurred to me that so~~ many websites use ISBN numbers, that I would never have time to examine even 1% - so I could ever be sure that ~~I was~~ dealing with cases in the larger side of an 80-20 divide.		So many websites use ISBN numbers, that we would never have time to examine even 1% - so we could ever be sure that we were dealing with cases in the larger side of an 80-20 divide.

	~~It then occurred to me that~~ there are very few ways in which ISBN numbers can be marked up, in a meaningful and valid sense. Furthermore, the very nature of ISBNs, with rigidly defined formats, and check-sums, means that detecting, validating and parsing ISBNs is relatively easy to describe.		However, there are very few ways in which ISBN numbers can be marked up, in a meaningful and valid sense. Furthermore, the very nature of ISBNs, with rigidly defined formats, and check-sums, means that detecting, validating and parsing ISBNs is relatively easy to describe.

	Consider these examples (all found on the aforesaid citations-examples)		Consider these examples (all found on the aforesaid citations-examples)
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	==Use case==		==Use case==

	Marking up ISBNs would allow tools to enable users to quickly locate the relevant title in a shop or library; for example in the way which [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Booksources&isbn=0950788120 Wikipedia uses ISBNs]		Marking up ISBNs would allow tools to enable users to quickly locate the relevant title in a shop or library; for example in the way which [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Booksources&isbn=0950788120 Wikipedia uses ISBNs]. Indeed, that service could be the target used by a user agent (as could [http://worldcat.org/issn/0006-3657 WorldCat for ISSNs]).

	Indeed, that service could be the target used by a user agent (as could [http://worldcat.org/issn/0006-3657 WorldCat for ISSNs]).

	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==

	~~I believe that we~~ could, quickly, have uFs for ISBN and ISSN; and that this would be of benefit to the development of any other uF which includes an ISBN or ISSN component - as well as benefiting the many thousands of publishers, and the any millions of consumers, of ISBNs and ISSNs.		We could, quickly, have uFs for ISBN and ISSN; and that this would be of benefit to the development of any other uF which includes an ISBN or ISSN component - as well as benefiting the many thousands of publishers, and the any millions of consumers, of ISBNs and ISSNs.

	All that remains is to agree a suitable class-name (ISBN vs. hISBN, for example).		All that remains is to agree a suitable class-name (ISBN vs. hISBN, for example).
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	==Next steps==		==Next steps==

	~~I hope Mike Kaply, will agree to place a~~ test-case ~~version~~ in a beta version of Operator.		A test-case implementation should be made available, perhaps in a beta version of Operator.

	~~I've marked up a~~ [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test-case (using class="isbn")] which has two with "X" check digits, and ~~I'll~~ be ~~happy~~ to ~~add further examples~~.		A [http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/biblio/sandwellISBNTEST.htm test-case (using class="isbn")], which has two with "X" check digits, is available and further examples can be added to it.

AndyMabbett at 11:39, 18 March 2007

2007-03-18T11:39:40Z

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	We can have microformats for ISBNs and ISSNs. The very specific nature of the way in which those codes are formatted means that further evidence gathering would be superfluous. Such microformats would be useful components in a number of other, currently-proposed, microformats. Acting now will ensure that a standard method can be applied across such be formats		We can have microformats for ISBNs and ISSNs. The very specific nature of the way in which those codes are formatted means that further evidence gathering would be superfluous. Such microformats would be useful components in a number of other, currently-proposed, microformats. Acting now will ensure that a standard method can be applied across such be formats

			==Editor==
			[[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]]

	==Coverage==		==Coverage==

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	==See also==		==See also==
	[[rel-tag-spaces#ISBN\|ISBN tag spaces]]		*[[issn\|ISSN]] proosal (parallels this one)
			*[[rel-tag-spaces#ISBN\|ISBN tag spaces]]