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Tantek: /* p-pronoun */ move that 's' to the right place

2025-07-24T11:29:24Z

p-pronoun: move that 's' to the right place

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	=== p-pronoun ===		=== p-pronoun ===
	Another variant is to markup each individual pronoun with <code>p-~~pronouns~~</code> (singular) which then makes it ~~eaier~~ for consuming code to a set of pronoun values for it to choose among.		Another variant is to markup each individual pronoun with <code>p-pronoun</code> (singular) which then makes it easier for consuming code to a set of pronoun values for it to choose among.

	== Other Platforms ==		== Other Platforms ==

Tantek: subheads, stub p-pronouns and p-pronoun approaches

2025-07-20T06:11:18Z

subheads, stub p-pronouns and p-pronoun approaches

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	== Experimental Examples ==		== Experimental Examples ==
			=== nominative oblique possessive ===
	Ashton McAllan marks up her pronouns as:		Ashton McAllan marks up her pronouns as:
	<source lang=html4strict>		<source lang=html4strict>
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	Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for different uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronoun the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article]		Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for different uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronoun the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article]


	[[User:GRegorLove\|gRegor Morrill]] marks up his pronouns similarly (note corrected spelling of "possessive"):		[[User:GRegorLove\|gRegor Morrill]] marks up his pronouns similarly (note corrected spelling of "possessive"):
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	</source>		</source>

			=== u-pronoun ===
	[http://vanderven.se/martijn/ Martijn van der Ven] marks up his pronouns (more clearly on [http://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/ his gender page]) using only a dictionary URL:		[http://vanderven.se/martijn/ Martijn van der Ven] marks up his pronouns (more clearly on [http://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/ his gender page]) using only a dictionary URL:
	<source lang=html4strict>		<source lang=html4strict>
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	* [[User:Sknebel\|sknebel]] [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534703222243600 notes] (2018-08-19) that he would prefer to see text (that possibly leads him to Google for proper use) than just URLs in the parser output. Although the URLs are useful, [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534705418184500 a simple name:url pair] would increase the usefulness.		* [[User:Sknebel\|sknebel]] [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534703222243600 notes] (2018-08-19) that he would prefer to see text (that possibly leads him to Google for proper use) than just URLs in the parser output. Although the URLs are useful, [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534705418184500 a simple name:url pair] would increase the usefulness.
	** Possibly something like <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .u-url</code> paired with <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .p-name</code>. [[h-cite]] would be prior art as also expressing “a reference to <i>[something]</i> in some way with name and url”. [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19/1534705492641900]		** Possibly something like <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .u-url</code> paired with <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .p-name</code>. [[h-cite]] would be prior art as also expressing “a reference to <i>[something]</i> in some way with name and url”. [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19/1534705492641900]

			=== p-pronouns ===
			The examples show many sites provide a single plain text field for the user to type in their pronouns.

			A <code>p-pronouns</code> property can be used to markup the full text of what's been entered by the user

			=== p-pronoun ===
			Another variant is to markup each individual pronoun with <code>p-pronouns</code> (singular) which then makes it eaier for consuming code to a set of pronoun values for it to choose among.

	== Other Platforms ==		== Other Platforms ==

Tantek: link to other pages in context up top and See also

2025-07-20T05:43:31Z

link to other pages in context up top and See also

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-This page is for proposing and experimenting with markup for publishing [[pronouns|pronoun]] information, as well as documenting experimental markup already in use.
+This page is for proposing and experimenting with markup for publishing [[pronouns|pronoun]] information, as well as documenting experimental markup already in use. Per [[process]], this page is part of:
 == Experimental Examples ==
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 == Other Platforms ==
 A [https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/3211 GitHub issue about adding pronoun fields] to [https://indieweb.org/Mastodon Mastodon] was [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534700249077000 discussed in #microformats] on 2018-08-19. The comments in the issue bring up some points previously brought up by Martijn in regards to how useful it would be for machines. Also includes interesting survey data showing that just listing the minimal amount of cases does not show all inflections, e.g. does “ne/nim” refer to “ne/nem/neir/neirs/nemself” or “ne/nem/nayr/nayrs/nemself”?

Barnabywalters: Stubbed, moved content from h-card-brainstorming

2021-06-22T21:51:11Z

Stubbed, moved content from h-card-brainstorming

New page

This page is for proposing and experimenting with markup for publishing [[pronouns|pronoun]] information, as well as documenting experimental markup already in use.

== Experimental Examples ==

Ashton McAllan marks up her pronouns as:
<source lang=html4strict>
she /
her /
hers
</source>
in her [[h-card]] on http://acegiak.net/

Each pronoun is listed individually with it's form allowing parsers and programs to identify them for different uses. Other languages may include different forms of pronoun. This solution is suggested after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronoun the Wikipedia Personal Pronouns article]

[[User:GRegorLove|gRegor Morrill]] marks up his pronouns similarly (note corrected spelling of "possessive"):
<source lang=html4strict>
Pronouns: he/
him/
his
</source>
on http://gregorlove.com/about/

[https://www.jvt.me/ Jamie Tanna] followed this same pattern, and [https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/04/10/pronouns-microformats/ blogged about implementing it, and why].

[[User:Jgarber|Jason Garber]] marks up his pronouns using the pattern:
<source lang=html4strict>

I use the pronouns
<a href="https://my.pronoun.is/he/him/his">
he/
him/
his
</a>.

</source>

[http://vanderven.se/martijn/ Martijn van der Ven] marks up his pronouns (more clearly on [http://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/ his gender page]) using only a dictionary URL:
<source lang=html4strict>

I use male pronouns (
<a href="https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/hij#Persoonlijk_voornaamwoord" lang="nl" class="u-pronoun">hij</a>,
<a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/han#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">han</a>,
<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/he#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">he</a>,
<a href="https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/er#Personalpronomen" lang="de" class="u-pronoun">er</a>
) but also accept gender-neutral pronouns (
<a href="https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/hen#Pronomen" lang="sv" class="u-pronoun">hen</a>,
<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they#Pronoun" class="u-pronoun">they</a>
). If you are writing about me and are in doubt: ask.
</source>

* There is no way Martijn sees himself supporting 4 cases for English (subjective, objective, reflexive, and possessive), 5 cases for German (nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, and possessive), and a possible 13 cases for Finnish in the future. Doubtful anyone else will be doing that either: at least 1 implementation (by [https://unrelenting.technology/ Greg V]) of English p-x-pronoun-* exists in the wild that only specifies 2 cases.
* Simplifying for human visitors who can instantly get started with my pronoun of choice is seen as more important than catering to theoretical computer parsers.
* His thought process [http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun has been documented].
* [https://00dani.me/ Danielle McLean] is also using <code>u-pronoun</code>, linking to the popular [https://pronoun.is/ Pronoun Island] registry page for her pronouns: <code><nowiki><a class="u-pronoun" href="https://pronoun.is/she/her">she/her</a></nowiki></code>.
** Started looking for a way to mark-up pronouns because the p-sex/p-gender-identity combo is “[https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-29/1509268972735000 unbelievably terrible]”.
** [https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-29/1509269322353000 Agreed with Martijn’s arguments] for why a link is better than per-case mark-up.
* [[User:Sknebel|sknebel]] [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534703222243600 notes] (2018-08-19) that he would prefer to see text (that possibly leads him to Google for proper use) than just URLs in the parser output. Although the URLs are useful, [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534705418184500 a simple name:url pair] would increase the usefulness.
** Possibly something like <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .u-url</code> paired with <code>.[up]-pronoun.h-pronoun > .p-name</code>. [[h-cite]] would be prior art as also expressing “a reference to [something] in some way with name and url”. [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19/1534705492641900]

== Other Platforms ==
A [https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/3211 GitHub issue about adding pronoun fields] to [https://indieweb.org/Mastodon Mastodon] was [https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-08-19#t1534700249077000 discussed in #microformats] on 2018-08-19. The comments in the issue bring up some points previously brought up by Martijn in regards to how useful it would be for machines. Also includes interesting survey data showing that just listing the minimal amount of cases does not show all inflections, e.g. does “ne/nim” refer to “ne/nem/neir/neirs/nemself” or “ne/nem/nayr/nayrs/nemself”?