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2020-07-18T16:35:22Z

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	This page is for documenting Q&A about [[xfn\|XFN]] in addition to the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/faq official XFN FAQ]. It is likely that items here will be incorporated there. Or perhaps GMPG may choose to redirect the FAQ here - this is to be determined. For now, if you have a new question to ask about XFN, please consider first asking your question on the [http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss/ microformats-discuss] mailing list.		This page is for documenting Q&A about [[xfn\|XFN]] in addition to the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/faq official XFN FAQ]. It is likely that items here will be incorporated there. Or perhaps GMPG may choose to redirect the FAQ here - this is to be determined. For now, if you have a new question to ask about XFN, please consider first asking your question on the [http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss/ microformats-discuss] mailing list.

Tantek: add FAQ How do I reference the XFN profile in HTML5 noting validator error

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add FAQ How do I reference the XFN profile in HTML5 noting validator error

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 This page is for documenting Q&A about [[xfn|XFN]] in addition to the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/faq official XFN FAQ].  It is likely that items here will be incorporated there.  Or perhaps GMPG may choose to redirect the FAQ here - this is to be determined.  For now, if you have a new question to ask about XFN, please consider first asking your question on the [http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss/ microformats-discuss] mailing list.
 Please first read the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/faq official XFN FAQ].
 == value clarifications ==

RyanKing: Reverted edits by BocliTrocd (Talk) to last version by AndyMabbett

2009-01-07T07:31:13Z

Reverted edits by BocliTrocd (Talk) to last version by AndyMabbett

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	== authoring and publishing help ==		== authoring and publishing help ==
	=== validation ===		=== validation ===
	''Wondering how people intend to validate ~~xfnâ¦~~ [http://twitter.com/lmjabreu/statuses/667894392 1]''		''Wondering how people intend to validate xfn… [http://twitter.com/lmjabreu/statuses/667894392 1]''

	* Use the [http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/rel-lint/ rel-lint] validator by [[User:DrewMcLellan\|Drew McLellan]] which checks a page for standard [[rel values]] from HTML 4.01 and XFN 1.1, and shows warnings for any unrecognized values.		* Use the [http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/rel-lint/ rel-lint] validator by [[User:DrewMcLellan\|Drew McLellan]] which checks a page for standard [[rel values]] from HTML 4.01 and XFN 1.1, and shows warnings for any unrecognized values.

BocliTrocd: dronal

2009-01-07T04:05:56Z

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	== authoring and publishing help ==		== authoring and publishing help ==
	=== validation ===		=== validation ===
	''Wondering how people intend to validate ~~xfn…~~ [http://twitter.com/lmjabreu/statuses/667894392 1]''		''Wondering how people intend to validate xfnâ¦ [http://twitter.com/lmjabreu/statuses/667894392 1]''

	* Use the [http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/rel-lint/ rel-lint] validator by [[User:DrewMcLellan\|Drew McLellan]] which checks a page for standard [[rel values]] from HTML 4.01 and XFN 1.1, and shows warnings for any unrecognized values.		* Use the [http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/rel-lint/ rel-lint] validator by [[User:DrewMcLellan\|Drew McLellan]] which checks a page for standard [[rel values]] from HTML 4.01 and XFN 1.1, and shows warnings for any unrecognized values.

AndyMabbett: /* Are there any asymmetric XFN relationships */ fmt, sort

2008-02-25T10:37:44Z

Are there any asymmetric XFN relationships: fmt, sort

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	Most XFN relationships are not required to be symmetric and are therefore often asymmetric in real world use. The only XFN relationships that are '''effectively always symmetric''' (per the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 XFN 1.1 profile]) are:		Most XFN relationships are not required to be symmetric and are therefore often asymmetric in real world use. The only XFN relationships that are '''effectively always symmetric''' (per the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 XFN 1.1 profile]) are:
	* [[rel-met]]
	* [[rel-co-worker]]		* [[rel-co-worker]]
	* [[rel-colleague]]		* [[rel-colleague]]
	* [[rel-co-resident]]		* [[rel-co-resident]]
			* [[rel-date]]
			**in practice it has been pointed out that the broadly varying definitions of 'date' used in common discourse often lead to asymmetries of understanding between one individual and a person they have a rel-date relationship with. This could probably use more real world analysis.
			* [[rel-kin]]
			* [[rel-met]]
	* [[rel-neighbor]]		* [[rel-neighbor]]
	* [[rel-sibling]]		* [[rel-sibling]]
	* [[rel-spouse]]		* [[rel-spouse]]
	* [[rel-kin]]
	* [[rel-date]] (although in practice it has been pointed out that the broadly varying definitions of 'date' used in common discourse often lead to asymmetries of understanding between one individual and a person they have a rel-date relationship with. This could probably use more real world analysis.)
	* [[rel-sweetheart]]		* [[rel-sweetheart]]

	One XFN relationship is '''required symmetric''', that is, unless the relationship is asserted in both directions (e.g. with a hyperlink, see value definitions for details), the relationship cannot be asserted:		One XFN relationship is '''required symmetric''', that is, unless the relationship is asserted in both directions (e.g. with a hyperlink, see value definitions for details), the relationship cannot be asserted:
	* [[rel-me]]		* [[rel-me]]

Tantek: added a bunch of Q&A about asymmetry, fans, followers from recent IM convo

2008-02-25T02:07:04Z

added a bunch of Q&A about asymmetry, fans, followers from recent IM convo

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	From "[http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#positive XFN Background: Positive or neutral relationships only]" - more reasons and explanation provided there.		From "[http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#positive XFN Background: Positive or neutral relationships only]" - more reasons and explanation provided there.

			=== Are there any asymmetric XFN relationships ===
			''Is there such a thing as an asymmetric xfn relationship?''

			Most XFN relationships are not required to be symmetric and are therefore often asymmetric in real world use. The only XFN relationships that are '''effectively always symmetric''' (per the [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 XFN 1.1 profile]) are:
			* [[rel-met]]
			* [[rel-co-worker]]
			* [[rel-colleague]]
			* [[rel-co-resident]]
			* [[rel-neighbor]]
			* [[rel-sibling]]
			* [[rel-spouse]]
			* [[rel-kin]]
			* [[rel-date]] (although in practice it has been pointed out that the broadly varying definitions of 'date' used in common discourse often lead to asymmetries of understanding between one individual and a person they have a rel-date relationship with. This could probably use more real world analysis.)
			* [[rel-sweetheart]]
			One XFN relationship is '''required symmetric''', that is, unless the relationship is asserted in both directions (e.g. with a hyperlink, see value definitions for details), the relationship cannot be asserted:
			* [[rel-me]]

			All other XFN 1.1 relationships are not required to be symmetric, nor can they necessarily or should be expected to be.

			=== Is there a fan or fan of relationship ===
			''Is there a 'fans' or 'fan of' type of XFN relationship?''

			See [[xfn-brainstorming#fans_and_followers\|XFN Brainstorming: fans and followers]].

			=== If I am a fan of someone what rel should I use when linking to them ===
			''If I'm a fan of someone, what XFN rel value should I use when linking to them?''

			Right now there is no good inverse term for stating that you are a fan of someone. You can assert the inverse, that is, you can try linking to someone who you are asserting is a fan of you with rel="fan" per the [[xfn-brainstorming#fans_and_followers\|fans and followers brainstorming]], but currently there is [http://twitter.com/t/statuses/746089852 no good inverse of fan] to link to people that you are a fan of.

			==== follow up would I identify as an acquaintance of that person ====
			Follow-up: ''Would I identify as an acquaintance of that person?''

			Not necessarily. [[rel-acquaintance]] asserts more than that, that is, that you have at least had a conversation or some sort of interaction with them. You don't necessarily have any interaction with people that you are a fan of.

			For now, you could use [[rel-contact]] to at least assert that you have some contact information for that person (their URL presmably) or consider that person to be a contact, but even that doesn't convey the meaning that you are a fan of theirs.

	== authoring and publishing help ==		== authoring and publishing help ==

Tantek: added validation q from twitter. use rel-lint tool!

2008-02-05T23:09:56Z

added validation q from twitter. use rel-lint tool!

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	From "[http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#positive XFN Background: Positive or neutral relationships only]" - more reasons and explanation provided there.		From "[http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#positive XFN Background: Positive or neutral relationships only]" - more reasons and explanation provided there.

			== authoring and publishing help ==
			=== validation ===
			''Wondering how people intend to validate xfn… [http://twitter.com/lmjabreu/statuses/667894392 1]''

			* Use the [http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/rel-lint/ rel-lint] validator by [[User:DrewMcLellan\|Drew McLellan]] which checks a page for standard [[rel values]] from HTML 4.01 and XFN 1.1, and shows warnings for any unrecognized values.

			See [[xfn-implementations#validators\| XFN Implementations: validators]] for more.

	== other possibilities ==		== other possibilities ==
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	=== How do you do autodiscovery of XFN ===		=== How do you do autodiscovery of XFN ===
	I am interested in the autodiscovery of microformats in html especially xfn. What would that look like? [http://twitter.com/rmarkwhite/statuses/677103472 1]		''I am interested in the autodiscovery of microformats in html especially xfn. What would that look like? [http://twitter.com/rmarkwhite/statuses/677103472 1]''

	* On any webpage that represents a person, parse the HTML, especially the space-separated <code>rel</code> attributes of the links (<code>a</code> and <code>link</code> elements), and look for [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 18 XFN 1.1 values] among the [[rel values]]. Repeat for the pages that those links with XFN rel values point to. For more on how to crawl links (or a subset thereof determined by rel values) on the Web, see any number of books on how to spider and crawl the web.		* On any webpage that represents a person, parse the HTML, especially the space-separated <code>rel</code> attributes of the links (<code>a</code> and <code>link</code> elements), and look for [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 18 XFN 1.1 values] among the [[rel values]]. Repeat for the pages that those links with XFN rel values point to. For more on how to crawl links (or a subset thereof determined by rel values) on the Web, see any number of books on how to spider and crawl the web.

Tantek: removed out of scope question/issue not specific to XFN and left prose pointer for how to spider and crawl the web.

2008-02-05T22:22:15Z

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	I am interested in the autodiscovery of microformats in html especially xfn. What would that look like? [http://twitter.com/rmarkwhite/statuses/677103472 1]		I am interested in the autodiscovery of microformats in html especially xfn. What would that look like? [http://twitter.com/rmarkwhite/statuses/677103472 1]

	* On any webpage that represents a person, parse the HTML, especially the space-separated <code>rel</code> attributes of the links (<code>a</code> and <code>link</code> elements), and look for [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 18 XFN 1.1 values] among the [[rel values]]. Repeat for the pages that those links with XFN rel values point to.		* On any webpage that represents a person, parse the HTML, especially the space-separated <code>rel</code> attributes of the links (<code>a</code> and <code>link</code> elements), and look for [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 18 XFN 1.1 values] among the [[rel values]]. Repeat for the pages that those links with XFN rel values point to. For more on how to crawl links (or a subset thereof determined by rel values) on the Web, see any number of books on how to spider and crawl the web.
	**"Repeat for the pages that those links ~~with XFN~~ rel values ~~point~~ to~~" - Forever? If not, when does this stop? How are infinite loops avoided? [[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]] 14:19, 5 Feb 2008 (PST)~~

	=== Does consolidating a paginated friends list scale ===		=== Does consolidating a paginated friends list scale ===

AndyMabbett: /* How do you do autodiscovery of XFN */ copy edit; raise issue

2008-02-05T22:19:16Z

How do you do autodiscovery of XFN: copy edit; raise issue

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	=== How do you do autodiscovery of XFN ===		=== How do you do autodiscovery of XFN ===
	''I am interested in the autodiscovery of microformats in html especially xfn. What would that look like?[http://twitter.com/rmarkwhite/statuses/677103472 1]''		I am interested in the autodiscovery of microformats in html especially xfn. What would that look like? [http://twitter.com/rmarkwhite/statuses/677103472 1]

	* On any webpage that represents a person, parse the HTML, especially the links (<code>a</code> and <code>link</code> elements)~~, especially their space separated <code>rel</code> attributes~~, and look for ~~the~~ [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 18 XFN 1.1 values] among the [[rel values]]. Repeat for the pages that those links with XFN rel values point to.		* On any webpage that represents a person, parse the HTML, especially the space-separated <code>rel</code> attributes of the links (<code>a</code> and <code>link</code> elements), and look for [http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 18 XFN 1.1 values] among the [[rel values]]. Repeat for the pages that those links with XFN rel values point to.
			**"Repeat for the pages that those links with XFN rel values point to" - Forever? If not, when does this stop? How are infinite loops avoided? [[User:AndyMabbett\|Andy Mabbett]] 14:19, 5 Feb 2008 (PST)

	=== Does consolidating a paginated friends list scale ===		=== Does consolidating a paginated friends list scale ===

Tantek: added neg rel q from Twitter, linked to background.

2008-02-05T21:03:14Z

added neg rel q from Twitter, linked to background.

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	Markup location info related to your office as part of your <code>type</code> <code>work</code> address (<code>adr</code>) in your [[hCard]].		Markup location info related to your office as part of your <code>type</code> <code>work</code> address (<code>adr</code>) in your [[hCard]].

			=== Why does XFN omit negative values ===
			''Wondering why XFN definitions do not include "fool", "enemy", "jerk", "pedant", and so forth. [http://twitter.com/Vaguery/statuses/673040272 1]''

			<blockquote><p>Negative relationship terms have been omitted from XFN by design. The authors think that such values would not serve a positive ends and thus made the deliberate decision to leave them out.</p></blockquote>

			From "[http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#positive XFN Background: Positive or neutral relationships only]" - more reasons and explanation provided there.

	== other possibilities ==		== other possibilities ==
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	== See Also ==		== See Also ==
	{{xfn-related-pages}}		{{xfn-related-pages}}
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