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SukitArseanrapoj: /* Q. ''Should human readable data go into class names?'' */
2008-07-30T15:50:11Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Q. ''Should human readable data go into class names?''</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Q</del>. ''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Should human readable data go into </del>class <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">names</del>?'' ===</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถาม</ins>. ''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เราควรใส่ข้อมูลที่ต้องการให้ผู้อ่านได้อ่านไว้ในชื่อ </ins>class <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">หรือเปล่า</ins>?'' ===</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">No. We should not put human readable data into the </del><code>class</code> attribute<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, because it puts human-readable data in a spot that's no longer visible. </del> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">See the </del>[[principles]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เราไม่ควรใส่ข้อมูลที่เขียนเพื่อให้ผู้อ่านได้อ่านไว้ใน </ins><code>class</code> attribute <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เพราะว่าการทำแบบนั้นจะทำให้ข้อมูลไปอยู่ในจุดที่ผู้อ่านไม่สามารถเห็นได้ </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ดู </ins>[[principles<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|หลักการ</ins>]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Q</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Follow-up. How is that different from putting human readable data into the </del><code>title</code> attribute?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถาม</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถามต่อ แล้วการใส่ข้อมูลไว้ในชื่อ class มันต่่างอะไรกับการใส่ไว้ใน </ins><code>title</code> attribute <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ล่ะ</ins>?</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </del>title attribute <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is displayed in tool-tips in the overwhelming majority of browsers in use and thus is quite semi-visible, and thus human verifiable by casual users. </del> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </del>class attribute <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is not displayed in a tool-tip or any other </del>user interface (<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">not withstanding developer interfaces like view source</del>).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><code></ins>title<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></code> </ins>attribute <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">นั้นถูกแสดงในทูลทิปในหลายๆเบราว์เซอร์ และก็ถือว่าเกือบๆจะมองเห็นได้โดยผู้ใช้ทั่วไป </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">แต่ </ins>class attribute <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">นั้นจะไม่ถูกแสดงเลย ไม่ว่าจะเป็นในทูลทิปหรือในส่วนอื่นๆของ </ins>user interface (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ไม่นับรวม user interface ที่ใช้โดยนักพัฒนา เช่นตอนดูซอร์สโค้ด</ins>).</div></td></tr>
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SukitArseanrapoj: /* Nesting of elements */
2008-07-30T15:41:06Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Nesting of elements</span></span></p>
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SukitArseanrapoj: /* Q. ''It seems that <code><span class="vcard fn org" id="club">...</span></code> should work. Is this correct?'' */
2008-07-30T15:40:24Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Q. ''It seems that <code><span class="vcard fn org" id="club">...</span></code> should work. Is this correct?''</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">No. See </del>[[hcard-faq#nesting-properties]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">คำตอบคือผิด ลองดู </ins>[[hcard-faq#nesting-properties]].</div></td></tr>
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SukitArseanrapoj: /* Q. ''How will microformat class names impact page size?'' */
2008-07-30T15:37:32Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Q. ''How will microformat class names impact page size?''</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A. You probably won't notice any impact on page size when authoring with microformats</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Our experience is that people use comparably sized </del>class <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">names, and </del>[[semantic-class-names|semantic class names]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are now considered an industry </del>best practice<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. </del> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Some sites are successfully publishing millions of microformats, and we haven't heard any complaints yet. </del> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">You are more likely to gain space savings by more fully adopting </del>[[microformats#the_microformats_principles|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the principles of microformats</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and eliminating tables for </del>layout<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">คุณจะไม่ค่อยเห็นผลกระทบกับขนาดของหน้าเว็บที่ใช้ไมโครฟอร์แมตซักเท่าไร </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จากประสบการณ์ของเราคนก็ใช้ชื่อ </ins>class <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ที่ยาวพอๆกับชื่อ class ในไมโครฟอร์แมต และ </ins>[[semantic-class-names|semantic class names]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เองก็ถือเป็น </ins>best practice <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ในแวดวงเว็บในตอนนี้เหมือนกัน </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">บางเว็บไซต์ส่งหน้าเว็บที่ใช้ไมโครฟอร์แมตเป็นล้านๆหน้าแต่ก็ไม่บ่นอะไรกับเรื่องขนาดของหน้าเว็บที่เพิ่มขึ้นเลยแม้แต่น้อย </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เราคิดว่าคุณน่าจะประหยัดเนื้อที่ได้มากกว่าด้วยซ้ำถ้าคุณลองทำตาม </ins>[[microformats#the_microformats_principles|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">หลักการของไมโครฟอร์แมต</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และเลิกใช้ table เพื่อจัด </ins>layout <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ของหน้าเว็บคุณ</ins></div></td></tr>
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SukitArseanrapoj: /* Q. ''Do (X)HTML class names have semantics?'' */
2008-07-24T13:18:16Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Q</del>. ''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Do </del>(X)HTML <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">class names have semantics</del>?''===</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถาม</ins>. ''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ชื่อของ class ใน </ins>(X)HTML <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">มีความหมายหรือเปล่า</ins>?''===</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </del>HTML4 <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">specification does not define any particular </del>class <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">values </del>[http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2 REF]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, nor does it define any particular semantic for </del>class <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">values </del>[http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2 REF]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, except that they </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">may be used for general </del>user agent <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">processing</del>" [http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2 REF]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. However, the </del>[http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-htmllink-970328#profile" <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">draft of </del>"Hypertext Links in HTML"]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, allows for a </del>"profile" <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to define meanings for those classes. </del>[http://gmpg.org/xmdp/ XMDP] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is a format for defining meta data </del>profiles <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for </del>(X)HTML<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and thus an XMDP profile can be used to define the meanings of </del>class <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">names. </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">สเป็ก </ins>HTML4 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ไม่ได้ระบุค่าที่ </ins>class <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จะเป็นได้เอาไว้ </ins>[http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2 REF] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และก็ไม่ได้บอกด้วยว่าค่าของ </ins>class <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จะต้องมีความหมายแบบใดแบบหนึ่ง </ins>[http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2 REF] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เพียงแค่บอกว่าค่าของ class </ins>"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">สามารถถูกนำไปใช้เพื่อประมวลผลโดย </ins>user agent <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ทั่วไป</ins>" [http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2 REF] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> อย่างไรก็ตาม </ins>[http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-htmllink-970328#profile" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เอกสารฉบับร่างชื่อ </ins>"Hypertext Links in HTML"] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">อนุญาติให้ </ins>"profile" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ระบุความหมายพิเศษสำหรับค่าของ class ได้ </ins>[http://gmpg.org/xmdp/ XMDP] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เป็นฟอร์แมตหนึ่งที่ระบุ </ins>profiles <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">สำหรับ </ins>(X)HTML <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ซึ่งคุณสามารถนำมาใช้เพื่อให้ความหมายของชื่อ </ins>class <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ได้</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">See also</del>:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ลองดู</ins>:</div></td></tr>
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SukitArseanrapoj
https://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=faq-th&diff=27863&oldid=prev
SukitArseanrapoj: /* Q. ''Can an element have more than one class'' */
2008-07-24T13:00:16Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Yes, the </del>class attribute <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">can contain a space delimited list of classes. </del> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">For example</del>:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">element สามารถมีได้หลายๆ </ins>class <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">โดยใช้เว้นวรรคเป็นตัวคั่นแต่ละ class ใน </ins>attribute <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เช่น</ins>:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> &lt;p class=&quot;todo idea&quot;&gt;<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Write high quality and simple </del>mark-up<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del>&lt;/p&gt;</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> &lt;p class=&quot;todo idea&quot;&gt;<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เขียน </ins>mark-up <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ที่มีคุณภาพ</ins>&lt;/p&gt;</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">See W3C </del>HTML 4.01 <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Specification</del>: [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#adef-class 7.5.2 Element identifiers: the id and class attributes]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ลองดูสเป็กของ </ins>HTML 4.01 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จาก W3C ที่</ins>: [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#adef-class 7.5.2 Element identifiers: the id and class attributes]</div></td></tr>
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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment"><code><div></code> and <code><span></code> semantics</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </del><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">semantics </del>==</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">การใช้ </ins><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และ </ins><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> ==</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Q</del>. ''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Is it semantically meaningless to use divs</del>?'' ===</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถาม</ins>. ''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">การใช้ div นั้นไม่มีความหมายเลยหรือ</ins>?'' ===</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Yes, both </del><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </del><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have nearly no semantics. </del><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">can be used to represent a </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">division</del>" <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of the page content. Similarly </del><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">can be used to reperesent that that </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">span</del>" <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of text has some meaning, but the specifics of what that meaning is undefined by the <code>&lt;span&gt;</code>.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ใช่แล้ว ทั้ง </ins><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และ </ins><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เรียกได้ว่าแทบจะไม่มีความหมายเท่าไร </ins><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">สามารถแทนที่ </ins>"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ส่วนใดส่วนหนึ่ง</ins>" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ของเนื้อหา ส่วน </ins><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">สามารถใช้เพื่อแทนที่ </ins>"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ช่วงใดช่วงหนึ่ง</ins>" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ของประโยคที่มีความหมายพิเศษ แต่ไม่ได้ระบุอย่างเจาะจงว่าช่วงนั้นของประโยคหมายถึงอะไร</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Q</del>. ''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Does the use of </del><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </del><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">elements add any semantics to web pages</del>?''===</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถาม</ins>. ''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">การใช้ </ins><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และ </ins><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จะเพิ่มคุณค่าความหมายให้กับหน้าเว็บหรือเปล่า</ins>?''===</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">According to the </del>[http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.4 HTML 4 <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">spec</del>]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </del><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> "<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">offer a generic mechanism for adding structure to documents.</del>" <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Their only meaning is in dividing documents into sections, and as such, their presence implies that the content within has a specific, but undefined by the element </del>markup<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, semantic. Thus they are nearly semantic-free.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตามที่ได้ระบุไว้ใน </ins>[http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.4 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">สเป็ก </ins>HTML 4] <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และ </ins><code>&lt;span&gt;</code> "<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เป็นกลไกคร่าวๆเพื่อเพิ่มโครงสร้างให้กับเนื้อหา</ins>" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ความหมายเดียวของอีลีเม้นต์เหล่านี้คือเพื่อแบ่งเอกสารเป็นส่วนๆ ซึ่งหมายความได้ว่าส่วนนั้นอาจจะมีความหมายบางอย่างพิเศษ แต่ไม่สามารถบอกได้จาก </ins>markup <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ได้ว่าความหมายนั้นคืออะไร</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <code class="element">&lt;span&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </del><code class="element">&lt;div&gt;</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are generic elements in </del>HTML<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. When you use microformats, you should pick the most specific semantic element available for the semantics you are trying to express. You might, for example, apply </del><code>class="vevent"</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to a </del><code><nowiki><tr></nowiki></code><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, or </del><code>class="vcard"</code> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to a </del><code><nowiki><p></nowiki></code><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <code class="element">&lt;span&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และ </ins><code class="element">&lt;div&gt;</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เป็นอีลีเม้นต์ที่ไม่ได้มีความหมายเฉพาะใน </ins>HTML <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> เมื่อคุณใช้ไมโครฟอร์แมตคุณควรเลือกอีลีเม้นต์ที่ตรงกับความหมายที่สุดเท่าที่จะทำได้เป็นอันดับแรกและก็ให้ความหมายไมโครฟอร์แมตผ่าน class เช่นคุณสามารถใช้ </ins><code>class="vevent"</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">กับ </ins><code><nowiki><tr></nowiki></code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">หรือ </ins><code>class="vcard"</code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">กับ </ins><code><nowiki><p></nowiki></code> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ก็ได้</ins></div></td></tr>
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SukitArseanrapoj
https://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=faq-th&diff=27858&oldid=prev
SukitArseanrapoj: /* Q. ''What if I can't find real-world examples of a standard I'd like to propose?'' */
2008-07-06T05:12:31Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Q. ''What if I can't find real-world examples of a standard I'd like to propose?''</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Q</del>. ''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">What if I can't find real-world examples of a standard I'd like to propose</del>?''===</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถาม</ins>. ''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จะทำยังไงถ้าผมหาตัวอย่างการใช้งานจริงสำหรับมาตรฐานที่ผมอยากนำเสนอไม่ได้</ins>?''===</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If we can</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t find real-world examples of the </del>'''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">types of data</del>''' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a proposal would address, it</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s probably not suitable for a microformat. If we only can</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t find real-world examples of the </del>'''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">specific </del>markup<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' a proposal would use for that data, however, that's not really a problem. It's actually the lack of such standard </del>markup <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in real-world publishing around a specific problem that suggests the need for increased consensus.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถ้าเราไม่สามารถหาตัวอย่างการใช้งานจริงสำหรับ </ins>'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ชนิดของข้อมูล</ins>''' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ที่คุณต้องการการนำเสนอ มันคงไม่เหมาะที่จะเป็นไมโครฟอร์แมต แต่ถ้าเราแค่ไม่สามารถหาตัวอย่างการใช้งานจริงสำหรับ </ins>'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">markup บางตัว</ins>''' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เราอาจใช้การนำเสนอนั้นได้ โดยทั่วไปแล้วกรณีเกี่ยวกับ </ins>markup <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">มักไม่ใช่ปัญหาจริงๆ เพราะปัญหาเหล่านี้ส่วนใหญ่เกิดจากการขาดมาตรฐานในการ markup เวลาใช้งานจริง ซึ่งหมายความว่าจะต้องมีการถามความคิดเห็นของคนส่วนใหญ่ว่าควรใช้ </ins>markup <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">แบบไหนมากกว่า</ins></div></td></tr>
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SukitArseanrapoj
https://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=faq-th&diff=27599&oldid=prev
SukitArseanrapoj: /* ''ถาม ผมจะรู้ได้ยังไงว่าไอเดียสำหรับไมโครฟอร์แมตถูกเสนอมาแล้วหรือยัง?'' */
2008-07-06T04:56:03Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">''ถาม ผมจะรู้ได้ยังไงว่าไอเดียสำหรับไมโครฟอร์แมตถูกเสนอมาแล้วหรือยัง?''</span></span></p>
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SukitArseanrapoj
https://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=faq-th&diff=27598&oldid=prev
SukitArseanrapoj: /* การสร้างและเสนอไมโครฟอร์แมตใหม่ */
2008-07-06T04:55:19Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">การสร้างและเสนอไมโครฟอร์แมตใหม่</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Q</del>. ''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I would like to author a new microformats open standards specification for my site</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">business. How do I get started</del>?''===</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ถาม</ins>. ''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ผมอยากจะสร้างไมโครฟอร์แมตใหม่สำหรับเว็บไซต์</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ธุรกิจของผม จะเริ่มอย่างไรดี</ins>?''===</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The first thing to do before attempting a new microformat open standard is to make as much use of </del>[[POSH]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and existing </del>[[microformats]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">open standards as possible in whatever site you are looking to mark up with your new microformat, as a way of learning what is left to be done. That is, at a minimum first</del>:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ตอบ</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">สิ่งแรกที่คุณต้องทำก่อนที่จะสร้างไมโครฟอร์แมตใหม่คือพยายามใช้งาน </ins>[[POSH]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">และ</ins>[[microformats<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|ไมโครฟอร์แมต</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ต่างๆที่มีอยู่ให้มากที่สุดเท่าที่จะทำได้ในเว็บไซต์ของคุณ เพื่อที่จะเรียนรู้ว่ายังเหลืออะไรที่จะต้องเพิ่มเติมในฟอร์แมตใหม่ของคุณ ก่อนอื่นเลยคุณจะต้อง</ins>:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Mark up <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">all people and organizations as </del>[[hcard|hCards]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Mark up <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">บุคคุลหรือองค์กรด้วย </ins>[[hcard|hCards]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Mark up <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">all events and time based things as </del>[[hcalendar|hCalendar]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">events.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Mark up <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เหตุการณ์ต่างๆและสิ่งที่อ้างอิงเรื่องวันและเวลาด้วย </ins>[[hcalendar|hCalendar]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Mark up <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">all reviews as </del>[[hreview|hReviews]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Mark up <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">บทวิจารณ์ด้วย </ins>[[hreview|hReviews]].</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">etc.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ฯลฯ</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Then join the microformats </del>[http://microformats.org/discuss <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">discuss list</del>]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and ask folks what they think of your use of the microformats and if it can be improved.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จากนั้นก็เข้าร่วมใน</ins>[http://microformats.org/discuss <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">กลุ่มสนทนา</ins>]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เกี่ยวกับไมโครฟอร์แมตและขอความคิดเห็นจากสมาชิกในกลุ่มว่าพวกเขาคิดอย่างไรกับการใช้งานไมโครฟอร์แมตของคุณ และจะมีวิธีพัฒนาวิธีการใช้งานของคุณหรือไม่</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">From that experience you will then be able to figure out what is left to be specified. Otherwise it is too hard to approach the </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">whole problem</del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">จากประสบการณ์นี้คุณจะสามารถพบว่ามีอะไรที่ยังขาดไปและต้องเพิ่มเข้าไปในไมโครฟอร์แมตใหม่ของคุณบ้าง ถ้าไม่ใช้วิธีนี้คุณจะพบว่ามันยากเกินไปที่จะมองเห็น </ins>"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ภาพรวมของปัญหา</ins>" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ทั้งหมด</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Once you have completed that, take a look at the microformats </del>[[process]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for how to walk through the steps of creating a new microformat, and note the specific problem you are trying to solve to the microformats-discuss list. </del> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This will help you find more people to help you solve the problems you are trying to solve.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">หลังจากคุณได้ทำสิ่งที่กล่าวมาทั้งหมดข้างต้น ลองดู</ins>[[process<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|แนวทางปฏิบัติ</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">เพื่อเรียนรู้ขั้นตอนต่างๆในการสร้างไมโครฟอร์แมตใหม่ และแจงรายละเอียดปัญหาที่คุณต้องการแก้ไขให้กับกลุ่มสนทนาเกี่ยวไมโครฟอร์แมตได้รับทราบ </ins> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">วิธีนี้จะช่วยให้คุณหาคนที่สามารถช่วยคุณแก้ปัญหาได้อีกด้วย</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===''ถาม ผมจะรู้ได้ยังไงว่าไอเดียสำหรับไมโครฟอร์แมตถูกเสนอมาแล้วหรือยัง?''===</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>===''ถาม ผมจะรู้ได้ยังไงว่าไอเดียสำหรับไมโครฟอร์แมตถูกเสนอมาแล้วหรือยัง?''===</div></td></tr>
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