[microformats-discuss] RelPayment: Requesting comments
ryan at technorati.com
Mon Aug 8 11:08:10 PDT 2005
On Aug 8, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:
> Hey all,
> In videoblogging land we've been working on the RelPayment
> microformat. It didn't gather any comments here the first time
> around, but I thought I'd try again.
Well, you asked for it... :)
> The draft is at <URL: http://videovertigo.org/wiki/index.php/
> RelPayment >
A couple of comments:
1. The name - the referenced url isn't really a "payment," but a
place for someone to make a payment. Perhaps "tip jar" would be a
better metaphor. I think this also helps to communicate that the
payment is not required, but a donation. Additionally, the spec says:
"RelPayment is meant as a general way to facilitate acts of support,
and thus this specification makes no assumptions on the type of
support." So why not have a more general name?
2. Visbible metadata++ :)
3. Is there anyone, anywhere who's done anything similar? I honestly
don't know and I don't know that anyone else has done the research.
You see, a very important part of the microformat ethos is the
principle of reuse (or principle of non-invention)- meaning that we
reuse as much as possible and only invent new markup/semantics when
necessary. Given that, it'd be nice to see some background research
regarding prior art in this area. And "prior art" includes everything
from IETF standards to homegrown conventions that have emerged as
common practice. I know that people link to payment/tipjar/support
pages.... but how? and where? and who? These are questions that it
would be nice to see documented answers to.
Its entirely possible that these questions have already been
answered, but it'd be nice to see documented in public (and in text,
not video :-)).
> In videoblogging land we would like to move this draft from the
> videovertigo wiki to microformats.org.
> The thought is that we'd like to avoid having RelPayment branded as
> a 'video' thing instead of a general purpose format. What's the
> process here?
http://microformats.org/wiki/process is our general microformat
> Can I just create a new page on the microformats.org wiki for this?
I know you guys have already moved as far has having a basic
specification, but it seems you may have skipped some necessary
research steps (see my above comments). Perhaps you'd like to start a
page at one of http://microformats.org/wiki/relpayment-research (or
pick a more general name than relpayment)?
> There are programmers of feed readers who would like to support
> this today rather than tomorrow, so we'd like to get the 'draft'
> sticker off this thing soon. It is after all not a very complicated
Of course, its nice to get support quickly. Just remember that we'll
have to live a long time with whatever format we develop- let's make
sure we get it right the first time.
Andreas- please dont' take my criticism as harsh, I want to see this
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