[microformats-discuss] Re: Blog post format challenge - content vs summary

Tantek Ç elik tantek at cs.stanford.edu
Sun Aug 14 12:27:41 PDT 2005

On 8/14/05 2:04 AM, "David Janes -- BlogMatrix" <davidjanes at blogmatrix.com>

> And blogger uses "post" as well, but identifies subelements as
> "post-title"; Movable Type, at least in my personal blog identifies it
> as "blogbody" BUT typepad identifies it as "entry"! And there's a lot of
> MovableType and typepress blogs out there.

David, excellent background research.

PLEASE add such info to the wiki page so we don't lose it in the depths of
email archives.


If you're not sure where to add it on the page, add it where you think it
best makes sense, and other folks will help out with reorganizing.

> I'm 99% percent a "stand on the shoulders of giants" type of guy,

Then you found the right party. Welcome.  ;)

> which leads me to the following criteria for nomenclature:
> - many of the microformats on microformats.org have unique names that
> identify the enclosing element that are unlikely to _accidently_ appear
> in XHTML (enclosed elements do not need the prefix)

Precisely.  I've discussed this a bit in the hcard-parsing document:


> - many of the microformats use a single letter prefix in front of a more
> specific word

For now, a coincidence to be sure, and due mostly to the mimicking that
pattern from vCard and iCalendar (and vCalendar before it). I don't see this
as a requirement as much as re-using an existing convention.

> - many of the microformats on microformats.org build upon well-specified
> external standards that a lot of smart people put a lot of work into
> (you folks discussing bibliographies should note this too ... librarians
> have a lot of time on their hands and have been doing it for centuries!)

Yes, absolutely, that's principle number four:

* reuse building blocks from widely adopted standards

> These criteria led me to:
> - Atom for for naming criteria -- trust me when I say we don't want to
> start redebating the decisions these people laboured over for the couple
> of years


Why not add this to the wiki page on blog-post-formats also?


> - "x" as the prefix on "entry" (following "xfolk"); "hentry" [thanks
> Lucas Gonze] or "aentry" make a lot of sense also, or perhaps something
> entirely different may suffice also
> The problem with "post" and "entry" is that there would be a lot of
> blogs the _appear_ to be compliant with the microformat but actually aren't!

Excellent analysis.  Please capture these experimental thoughts on a
blog-post-brainstorming wiki page:




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