[microformats-discuss] abbr-design-pattern

[Ryan King]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:

> On 10/10/05 2:30 PM, "David Janes -- BlogMatrix"  
> <davidjanes at blogmatrix.com>
> wrote:
>> Got it. I'll use this argument to fill in the page a little more  
>> later on.
>>
>> However, let me toss out the argument here that ABBR does not hide  
>> data
>> -- it's available as a mouseover popup.
>
> It's not absolutely hidden no.
>
> But it is *more* hidden, which is *less* desirable.
>
> In addition, it violates the DRY principle.
>
> We should only be violating the DRY principle when required to do  
> so to
> satisfy a more important principle, e.g. humans first, machines  
> second.

Perhaps we should add the DRY principle to the microformats  
principles on http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats ?

-ryan

>> Furthermore, the use of ABBR for
>> exanding simple presentation forms is entirely with the spirit and
>> letter of the HTML spec [1]
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/text.html#edef-ABBR
>
> Yes on expanding simple presentation forms for abbreviations etc.  
> where no
> additional information is being given.
>
>> for ABBR to do the (2) form below.
>
> No. Re-read what I wrote.  (2) is not "expanding simple  
> presentation forms".
> (2) is introducing additional information, namely, the last name.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tantek
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