[microformats-discuss] Video Pop-up Link Maker

Lisa Rein lisa at lisarein.com
Wed Oct 12 11:54:43 PDT 2005 

it seems like this method assumes that the author of the media object is
the author of the blog. which is true maybe 50%? of the time, if that,
right?

is there a way to embed the markup in a more effective way. so that if it
*was* embedded within the object info, you would know it was the author of
the media object?  and, otherwise, one could assume it was merely the
author of the html page?

thanks!

lisa


> The <address> tag denotes the author/contact for the "page or large
> portion
> thereof", that's just from HTML 4.01.  That's what indicates the
> relationship.
>
> What hCard adds to <address> are the fields/properties *of* that contact,
> e.g. the name of that contact etc.
>
> It's the combination of the two that achieves the net effect.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tantek
>
>
> On 10/12/05 11:19 AM, "Lisa Rein" <lisa at lisarein.com> wrote:
>
>> Is the vcard information *always* going to denote the name of the author
>> of the media object? Or would I nest the vcard information within the
>> video microformat information itself, so the relationship would be
>> implicit that way?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> lisa
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Lisa Rein wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree entirely -- It's the videobloggers who this has to appeal
>>>> too -- I
>>>> just want to remain compatible with the existing systems.
>>>>
>>>> josh suggested something like this:
>>>>
>>>> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
>>>>  rel="enclosure">
>>>>  <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
>>>>  </a>
>>>>
>>>> i think that would be great! I'd start using the tool right away, and
>>>> encourage others to do so.
>>>>
>>>> of course, "author" would be great too
>>>
>>> <address class="vcard">..</address>
>>>
>>> All the magic is already there. :D
>>>
>>>> (it can always resolve to "creator"
>>>> on the back end, for those who need it to) - that's the point of my
>>>> "harmonization" suggestion -- and perhaps I could have made that point
>>>> better:
>>>>
>>>> As long as the objects are modeled relatively the same, one persons
>>>> "author" can be another persons "creator." (Personally, "creator" has
>>>> always made me chuckle -- like it sounded like it was coming from the
>>>> Ohmighty, er something :-)
>>>>
>>>> anyway - let's keep going with this guys! I'd like to start
>>>> implementing
>>>> to help put the ideas out there.
>>>
>>> Please contribute any markup examples you have.
>>>
>>> We need to persist markup examples on the wiki- for the benefit of
>>> others in this community who aren't domain experts and as a defensive
>>> measure in the future, so that we can show the entire paper trail of
>>> developing the microformat.
>>>
>>>> BTW -- I've seen a working hcalendar implementation -- and I done
>>>> drunk
>>>> the koolade! (hee haw)
>>>
>>> There's actually a bunch of them:
>>>
>>> http://microformats.org/
>>> http://tantek.com/log/
>>> http://www.corante.com/getreal
>>> http://upcoming.org
>>> http://evdb.com
>>> http://eventful.com
>>>
>>> Shall I continue? :D
>>>
>>> -ryan
>>>
>>>> http://we05.com/program.cfm
>>>> goes into the form here:
>>>> http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks!
>>>>
>>>> lisa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Most commonly, videobloggers use very simple markup for their
>>>>> video posts.
>>>>> Here is a video tutorial from http://FreeVlog.org that teaches people
>>>>> how to use Blogger and OurMedia to create a videoblog: <
>>>>> http://freevlog.org/tutorial/post.htm >
>>>>>
>>>>> The way they teach it, you upload an image with Blogger and make it
>>>>> link to your video on OurMedia using the tools provided in the
>>>>> Blogger
>>>>> GUI: upload image, select image and press the link button, paste in
>>>>> the link that was copied from OurMedia and you're done without ever
>>>>> having dealt with HTML.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not the most semantically structured markup in the world, but
>>>>> if you simply add rel="enclosure" and a few other attributes to the
>>>>> <a> tag, then you've got something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> <a href=[URL of video] title=[title of video] type=[mime-type]
>>>>> rel="enclosure">
>>>>> <img src=[URL of thumbnail image] class="thumbnail" />
>>>>> </a>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people embed the videos in their blog posts, but not many do
>>>>> that
>>>>> as it requires a greater facility with HTML. Not very many people use
>>>>> pop-ups like I've done here as it requires knowledge of javascript in
>>>>> addition to HTML, though I believe it makes for a better viewing
>>>>> experience on the web, not to mention I'm eliminating the need to
>>>>> make
>>>>> a new pop-up window for each video by allowing the video URL to be
>>>>> passed in dynamically:
>>>>>
>>>>> < http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/ >
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps some of these other elements like Creator, Duration, Date,
>>>>> etc... could be handled by wrapping this basic construct above within
>>>>> a <div> and including other Microformats inside, like hCard,
>>>>> hCalendar, relTag, relLicense, relPayment, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> My perspective may also be slanted because I am thinking from the
>>>>> point of view of the videoblogging community, which has different
>>>>> concerns than most mainstream media outlets when it comes to
>>>>> publishing video online.
>>>>>
>>>>> When it comes to mainstream media, they tend to use embedded video,
>>>>> often streaming, and done in such a way so as to make it very
>>>>> difficult, if not impossible, to reverse engineer the direct URL to
>>>>> the media (as if to say, "you will not link to our video no matter
>>>>> how
>>>>> hard you try... we will destroy our own google ranking, thank you
>>>>> very
>>>>> much!").
>>>>>
>>>>> Porn video sites on the other hand probably account for most of the
>>>>> video content on the Internet (surprise surprise). They seem to use
>>>>> the basic videoblogger construct above... image links pointing
>>>>> directly to the video source.... at least that's for the free
>>>>> content,
>>>>> I'm not a paying customer so I don't know if the for-pay video is
>>>>> handled any differently mark-up wise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/12/05, Ryan King <ryan at technorati.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 11, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wanted to share a small project I launched today... I modified
>>>>>>> the javascript hCard Creator to make a wizard to generate pop-up
>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>> for videobloggers. If there was a microformat for describing
>>>>>>> media I
>>>>>>> would be happily to incorporate it into this (rel="enclosure" is in
>>>>>>> there).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the subject of a media-metadata microformat, here's what I think
>>>>>> is holding things up...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a good deal of coverage on previous (explicit) schemas/
>>>>>> formats. But, we don't (unless I've missed it) have any
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>> of implicit schemas/formats as expressed in how people (podcasters,
>>>>>> vloggers, etc) mark this stuff up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Janes has been working on this kind of research for blog
>>>>>> formats, it'd be great to have it for media as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -ryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS- The project's really cool. :D
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ryan King
>>>>>> ryan at technorati.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Ryan King
>>> ryan at technorati.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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