[uf-discuss] RE: microformats for groups and group memberships?

Thu Aug 10 13:03:43 PDT 2006

Hello,

Just an FYI, I've also used rel-member as you have shown below.

But to show the reverse, that a person is a member of a group, I used
rev-member instead (of rel-group).

So, my version of your examples would be...

    <a rev="member" href="http://microformats.org/">Microformats</a>

    Or

    <a rel="member" href="http://hellonline.com/">Eran Globen</a>

As an extra, a robot might want to "trust" a relation more if at each
end of things you have a rel-member & rev-member.  (That way each end
is asserting the same relation.)

See ya

On 8/10/06, Eran <limbo at actcom.co.il> wrote:
> Hey Jim,
>
> After much prodding from Tantek and some from Ryan as well I finally got to
> adding some of my own related work to the wiki. I've used a simple format
> (based on XFN) to describe group membership and roles. Using the "<a rel"
> pattern to describe roles like:
>
> <a rel="group" href="http://microformats.org/">Microformats</a>
>
> Or
>
> <a rel="member" href="http://hellonline.com/">Eran Globen</a>
>
> Additional values I've used are moderator and founder to describe those
> roles in a group.
> You can see the draft profile I wrote for this at
> http://hellonline.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/XMF
> And of course, it's all linked from the wiki at:
> http://microformats.org/wiki/group-brainstorming#Rel_Group_Member_Proposal
>
> Eran.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
> > [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Dalton
> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:34 AM
> > To: 'Chris Messina'; microformats-discuss at microformats.org
> > Subject: [uf-discuss] RE: microformats for groups and group
> > memberships?
> >
> > Very helpful, exactly what I was looking for, and it's a very useful
> > start.
> >
> > Would it make sense for the main page of the wiki to link to this page
> > under the Exploratory Discussions section? I'll happy add the link
> > myself, unless there is a policy in place of not linking to certain
> > exploratory discussions from the main page...
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Jim Dalton
> > Production Director
> > ERE Media, Inc.
> > 580 Broadway
> > Suite 304
> > New York, NY 10012
> >
> > Phone: (212) 671-1181, ext. 802
> > Mobile: (917) 226-5631
> >
> > jim at ere.net
> > http://www.ere.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Messina [mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:28 PM
> > To: jim at ere.net; Microformats Discuss
> > Subject: Re: microformats for groups and group memberships?
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > You should take a look at some of the list's "prior art":
> >
> > http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-
> > February/0031
> > 81.html
> >
> > http://microformats.org/wiki/group-brainstorming
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On 8/10/06, Jim Dalton <jim at ere.net> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm fairly new to this list, so forgive me if this topic has been
> > discussed
> > > before or if the information is available on the wiki (did my best to
> > search
> > > both and came up with a blank). I'm probably not as technically savvy
> > > as many of you either, so my apologies in advance for inadvertently
> > butchering
> > > terms or concepts.
> > >
> > > I'm interested in how microformats are being (or could be) used to
> > > define both memberships of individuals to a group, organization,
> > > company,
> > personal
> > > network etc., as well as defining a member's "role" within that
> > > group/organization.
> > >
> > > The hcard format gives us the ability to define an entity as an
> > > organization. The XFN specification defines relationships between
> > > individuals. Nothing in these microformats (or currently proposed
> > > microformats) seems, however, to allow one to describe a list of
> > > members
> > in
> > > an organization as well as the members' roles within it.
> > >
> > > I'm curious if there is information or discussion that have already
> > > taken place, or if this is an idea for the group to consider?
> > >
> > > Thinking about it for a minute, I would see implications for:
> > >
> > > * Groups in social networks - Defining a list of members in a group,
> > > as
> > well
> > > as each individual's role within the group (e.g. leader,
> > > administrator, member, etc.).
> > >
> > > * Personal networks in social networks? Defining a list of members in
> > > an individual's personal network, along with each indivdual's "role"
> > (i.e.
> > > relationship via XFN?) in the network.
> > >
> > > * Employees of an organization - An employee directory, for example,
> > > indicating job title (i.e. function/role) in the organization.
> > >
> > > * Membership in real world groups - e.g. churches, schools, community
> > > organizations etc., along with roles (e.g.
> > > principal/administrator/teacher/student).
> > >
> > > * Other possible uses: groups of contacts in a contact database?
> > > client lists? etc.?
> > >
> > > There would seem to be many examples in the wild where groups and
> > > group membership are presented.
> > >
> > > My ability to think through actual hypothetical structures is
> > probably
> > more
> > > limited than others on this list, though the first concept my mind
> > > fixes
> > is
> > > on is the "feed" structure, where a parent feed has child entries.
> > The
> > above
> > > concepts seemingly fits such a parent/child concept.
> > >
> > > That's about where I run out of steam, and am mostly curious about
> > > what others think rather than continuing to babble. Thanks for any
> > > thoughts and/or assistance from the group.
> > >
> > > [FYI, the thinking I'm doing on this particular topic is in advance
> > of
> > some
> > > reworking my company is doing on its existing niche social networking
> > > service. I'm pushing for greater structure (and use of microformats)
> > > on
> > our
> > > content and entities. The above "groups/memberships" concept is the
> > > one
> > area
> > > that I have yet to find a place where an existing or proposed
> > > microformat
> > is
> > > relevant.]
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Jim Dalton
> > > jim at ere.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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