[uf-discuss] citation: another example of practice in the wild

Michael McCracken michael.mccracken at gmail.com
Wed Aug 16 17:31:43 PDT 2006

On 8/16/06, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/16/06, Michael McCracken <michael.mccracken at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> > > Though there was some recent hints that things are about to start moving again.
> >
> > That's encouraging - what hints were you referring to? Anything in
> > public we can echo here?
> Yeah, recent list discussion; Tantek throwing down the gauntlet for a
> 0.1 August 30 release, Brian saying that sounded reasonable, etc.

That *was* recent! My apologies for the sour tone earlier - I honestly
thought that was months ago, when it was just July 30th.

> > > I really think we need an hDC and hDCQ. It's really not the
> > > microformat tradition, it seems to me, to invent full standalone
> > > formats.
> >
> > I'm afraid I'm only slightly familiar with how DC elements are being
> > used. It seems like they're only being used (in HTML) now to describe
> > whole pages, not parts of pages.
> >
> > I just read the DCQ page [1] about using DC terms in meta and link
> > elements in the HTML head element - that's where I'm getting this
> > from.
> >
> > Are you suggesting a new design pattern for using dublin core elements
> > and qualifiers in all microformats? Or a specific microformat to cover
> > some particular cases when you'd use DC?
> The former. DC and DCQ cover generic stuff: contributors, dates,
> titles, subjects, relations. Those are important in lots of contexts
> beyond citaitons.  It makes more sense to me that hCite would use
> that, and that other formats could too, than that we'd define it all
> in hCite.
> FWIW, here's the demo I prepared for the ODF group to show namepsace
> and vocabularly mxing, and example of the relational character of
> citation data..
> It's RDF, but I'm sure you can imagine a mapping to microformats.

I tried my imagination on one of my straw examples. Does this fit what
you were expecting?

<cite class="citation">
	<span class="dc:creator vcard">Lorin Hochstein</span>,
	<span class="dc:creator vcard"> Jeff Carver </span>,
	<span class="dc:creator vcard"> Forrest Shull </span>,
	<span class="dc:creator vcard"> Sima Asgari</span>,
	<span class="dc:creator vcard"> Victor Basili</span>,
	<span class="dc:creator vcard"> Jeffrey K. Hollingsworth</span>, and
	<span class="dc:creator vcard"> Marv Zelkowitz</span>,
	<a class="fn url dc:title"
href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/SC.2005.53">HPC Programmer
Productivity: A Case Study of Novice HPC Programmers</a>.
	<cite class="dcq:isPartOf citation">
        <a class="fn url dc:title" href="">Proceedings of ACM/IEEE
Supercomputing Conference</a>
        <abbr class="dc:date" title="20051126T0000-0800">2005</abbr>
	page <span class="startpage">35</span>
<div class="dc:publisher vcard">
  <span class=" fn">IEEE Computer Society
    <div class="adr">
      <span class="locality">Washington</span>,
      <span class="region">DC</span>
<a class="url instantiation" href="http://portal....">PDF of full text
from ACM</a>

	DOI: <a class="url dc:identifier"
        Tags: <span class="dc:subject"><a
rel="tag">productivity</a>, <a href="http://citeulike.org/tag/hpc"
rel="tag">hpc</a>, <a href="http://citeulike.org/tag/performance"
	<blockquote class="dc:abstract">In developing High-Performance
Computing (HPC) software, ....

One thing I noticed was that there seemed to be no DC term for what I
had as 'instantiation', or the link to a copy of the actual resource.
Maybe there's somewhere else we can borrow a term from, or was I
missing a good choice from DC?


Michael McCracken
UCSD CSE PhD Candidate
research: http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/~mmccrack/
misc: http://michael-mccracken.net/wp/

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