[uf-discuss] Re: hJob

Chris Messina chris.messina at gmail.com
Wed Aug 30 11:01:49 PDT 2006

I agree with both of you; and I'm also a big supporter of codifying
existing practices. At the same time, and this may be anathema to the
discussion, but the design of a data format inherently reveals the
underlying politics and biases of the designers.

I'm only suggesting that we make sure that any work done on hJob be
bilateral in nature -- that it codifies job publishing practices,
while at the same time, as you said, not close doors.

A question, perhaps: could we design hJob such that it could form a
dovetail joint of sorts with hResume? That is, with any given hResume
or hJob could I find a corresponding set of values that might match
the original query as expressed in either format?


On 8/30/06, Don Park <donpark at docuverse.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the links Scott. Good stuff.
> Chris, I have to agree with Scott re your 'slight break with convention'
> suggestion. Like you, I have thought about reusing hJob for query/criteria
> but I think the idea adds non-trivial constraints without offering
> sufficient immediate term rewards.
> However, I think a general effort should be made by this group to
> investigate general conventions for reusing existing microformats for
> query/criteria specification so that we don't close doors unknowningly or
> unnecessarily when we design new microformats.
> - Don
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Scott
> Reynen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hJob
> On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
> > Just as I can post my own hResume, being able to post jobs
> > descriptions that I think I'd be good at is an equally important
> > design goal for this mF. I also think that it's design, perhaps a
> > slight break with convention, should creatively tackle the issue of
> > helping folks get work that they love to do.
> Isn't such a break with convention explicitly an anti-goal of microformats?
> I hope marking up job listings in a standard format will lead to better
> tools for job seekers, but to whatever extent descriptions of desired jobs
> and descriptions of existing jobs differ, I think we should be focused on
> what people are currently publishing on the web, which I expect is almost
> entirely descriptions of /existing and available/ jobs.  If I'm missing
> descriptions of desired jobs on the current web, I hope someone will add
> appropriate examples to the wiki, but we shouldn't be building a microformat
> around hypothetical publishing.
> Peace,
> Scott
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