[uf-discuss] Re: hJob

[Don Park]

>A question, perhaps: could we design hJob such that it could form a
dovetail joint of sorts with hResume? That is, with any given hResume or
hJob could I find a corresponding set of values that might match the
original query as expressed in either format?

Perhaps. :-) I tend to favor emergent designs that allow practitioners to
extend/abuse as needed as adoption spreads. If the need is clearly present,
I am for supporting it by design. If not, I am for going just far enough to
ensure such use cases are not impossible.

Anyhow, let's get our roster of interested parties filled first before we
start arguing. ;-p

- Don

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Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: hJob

I agree with both of you; and I'm also a big supporter of codifying existing
practices. At the same time, and this may be anathema to the discussion, but
the design of a data format inherently reveals the underlying politics and
biases of the designers.

I'm only suggesting that we make sure that any work done on hJob be
bilateral in nature -- that it codifies job publishing practices, while at
the same time, as you said, not close doors.

A question, perhaps: could we design hJob such that it could form a dovetail
joint of sorts with hResume? That is, with any given hResume or hJob could I
find a corresponding set of values that might match the original query as
expressed in either format?

Chris

On 8/30/06, Don Park <donpark at docuverse.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the links Scott. Good stuff.
>
> Chris, I have to agree with Scott re your 'slight break with convention'
> suggestion. Like you, I have thought about reusing hJob for 
> query/criteria but I think the idea adds non-trivial constraints 
> without offering sufficient immediate term rewards.
>
> However, I think a general effort should be made by this group to 
> investigate general conventions for reusing existing microformats for 
> query/criteria specification so that we don't close doors unknowningly 
> or unnecessarily when we design new microformats.
>
> - Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of 
> Scott Reynen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hJob
>
> On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
>
> > Just as I can post my own hResume, being able to post jobs 
> > descriptions that I think I'd be good at is an equally important 
> > design goal for this mF. I also think that it's design, perhaps a 
> > slight break with convention, should creatively tackle the issue of 
> > helping folks get work that they love to do.
>
> Isn't such a break with convention explicitly an anti-goal of
microformats?
> I hope marking up job listings in a standard format will lead to 
> better tools for job seekers, but to whatever extent descriptions of 
> desired jobs and descriptions of existing jobs differ, I think we 
> should be focused on what people are currently publishing on the web, 
> which I expect is almost entirely descriptions of /existing and 
> available/ jobs.  If I'm missing descriptions of desired jobs on the 
> current web, I hope someone will add appropriate examples to the wiki, 
> but we shouldn't be building a microformat around hypothetical publishing.
>
> Peace,
> Scott
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