[uf-discuss] citation microformat?

Benjamin Carlyle benjamincarlyle at optusnet.com.au
Fri Jan 20 14:17:16 PST 2006

On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 19:00 -0800, Tim White wrote:
> --- Tantek �elik <tantek at cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >  http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-examples
> After I added those examples to the wiki, I did a quick analysis[1] --
> in a nutshell patterns for titles include:
> * id="title" class="producttitle"
> * class="title"
> * id="lblTitle" class="book_headline block"
> * table cell, no mark up
> * h1
> * h2
> At any rate, my concern now is with the title issue. I see that under
> hAtom it was determined that class="title" couldn't be reused because
> it was already in use by hCard.

It is perhaps unfortunate that hAtom appears to have solved the title
problem using domain-specific nomenclature (at least for hAtom entries)
but that the solution does not provide guidance to the resolution of
similar problems in separate problem domains. hAtom uses "headline" for
entry, and what it will use for feed title is still unresolved (unless
something has changed this week I haven't caught up on). The correct
markup for the title of a book or magazine is not informed by the hAtom
decision at this stage.

It may be that the hAtom feed title nomenclature resolution will be more
applicable to books and to other media. One could see a hAtom feed as a
serial (eg, a magazine or newspaper) which has its issues published from
time to time but has the same name regardless of how many issues are
published. In fact, an hAtom entry straddles the traditonal ideas of an
issue of a serial and an article that might be written up in a
particular issue. hAtom feed seems to me to be an identifier of the
serial as a whole.

To me, "fn" (hCard "full name") is appealing as the title of a feed and
for book titles and for serial titles. I think this appeal is supported
by hReview, which (to my mind) includes a citation format that uses fn
in this way[1]:
<span class="item fn">Crepes on Cole</span>

Unfortunately, to pick a wild hReview example by Paul Livingstone[2]...
it seems that the semantics of fn are being diluted by adding extra data
fields such as author name within the span:
<span class="item fn" style="display:none">The Five People You Meet in
Heaven - Mitch Albom</span>

To my mind, the above example would ideally look more like this:
<span class="item" style="display:none"><span class="fn">The Five People
You Meet in Heaven</span> - <span class="author vcard fn">Mitch

or simply:
<span class="item" style="display:none"><span class="fn">The Five People
You Meet in Heaven</span> - Mitch Albom</span>

Benjamin Carlyle <benjamincarlyle at optusnet.com.au>
[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview
[2] http://www.happenchance.co.uk/archives/2005/07/war_of_the_worl.php

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