[uf-discuss] vjournal?

Tantek Ç elik tantek at cs.stanford.edu
Fri Jun 2 09:01:02 PDT 2006

On 6/2/06 8:44 AM, "Chris Messina" <chris.messina at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't you use hAtom for this?


> The one thing I'm not sure about is Geocoding hAtom, which you can do
> with RSS: http://mapufacture.com/about.php

We have hAtom, and we have geo and adr, I encourage folks to experiment with
marking up locations in/of their blogs and posts and see if we can figure
out best practices.


> On 6/2/06, Hans Gerwitz <hans at gerwitz.com> wrote:

Welcome Hans!

>> I'm trying to subtly embed hCalendar into blog text.  I want to
>> denote the time and place of a moment being discussed, and a "journal
>> entry" seems to be the correct approach as described in the RFC 2445
>> study <http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-
>> examples#Example_5:_journal_entry>
>> ...but all of the example parsers I can find require vevents!  I
>> don't want to go forward if the wiki example is outdated and it's
>> been decided to require vevent.  Can someone comfort me that I'm not
>> off the path?
>> My end goal is to automatically add map and calendar sidebars to
>> pages like <http://hans.gerwitz.com/2006/06/01/she-said-yes.html>.


I must admit, when I saw the stop motion video of the Apple NYC store when
it was first posted, and saw you with the sign, I couldn't help but wonder
what the answer was.

>> I'd love some free consulting if anyone wants to validate this first
>> pass (search the source for "vjournal").

A bunch of folks took a look at vjournal to see if it made sense as a basis
for a blogging microformat, and after considerable analysis (which I believe
is captured on the list and in the hatom-issues document), determined that
since vjournal first came out, blogging and syndication format development
has advanced considerably, with all the experience behind RSS and Atom.

In this case, since Atom 1.0 is the newer IETF RFC, from a purely standards
point of view, it made since to use Atom instead of VJOURNAL as a basis as

Thus hAtom v0.1 has been developed, and is being tested by numerous folks
(myself included) in the wild on blogs etc.  There is an hAtom-to-Atom
conversion script as well.

More details here:



Thanks and welcome.


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