[uf-discuss] vjournal?

Hans Gerwitz hans at gerwitz.com
Fri Jun 2 11:48:03 PDT 2006

On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
> Wouldn't you use hAtom for this?

I don't think so.  I'm not trying to tag a post with a location or  
timestamp.  Rather, I have web content that represents a moment and  
place in history that I want to microformat.

On Jun 2, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
> First of all, CONGRATULATIONS!
> I must admit, when I saw the stop motion video of the Apple NYC  
> store when
> it was first posted, and saw you with the sign, I couldn't help but  
> wonder
> what the answer was.

Uhm, thanks, but that wasn't me.  The vjournal in question is for  
Paris. ;-)

> A bunch of folks took a look at vjournal to see if it made sense as  
> a basis
> for a blogging microformat, and after considerable analysis (which  
> I believe
> is captured on the list and in the hatom-issues document),  
> determined that
> since vjournal first came out, blogging and syndication format  
> development
> has advanced considerably, with all the experience behind RSS and  
> Atom.

I agree completely, but this isn't a blogging scenario in question.   
My next theme rollout will include hAtom and this post will be marked  
with the publication time, and maybe the publication place.  But the  
use case I'm presenting is quite different.

I could imagine producing a feed that exposed all the "moments" and  
events I've published, and perhaps that would transfer the time and  
location data to hAtom hentries.

But it doesn't smell right to embed an hentry in the content, as this  
moment is not a feed entry (in context).

An analogue case: if you describe a conference presentation you just  
attended, you might want to embed an vevent for the presentation.  I  
don't think anyone would suggest that hAtom is meant to replace  
anything that has time and location!

Similarly, I think the next best microformat for my use case here  
would be an vevent, but RFC 2445 says otherwise.  Why should I  
pretend that the moment I'm describing is a scheduled event with a  
start and end time, or an item in a syndication list?

Thanks for letting me borrow some neurons,
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Hans Gerwitz

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