[uf-discuss] vjournal?

Chris Messina chris.messina at gmail.com
Fri Jun 2 13:08:49 PDT 2006

Hmm, while we're discussing this, you might look at the meeting
minutes discussion as I believe that there's much to be gained from
cross-polinating the discussions...

Just as meeting minutes need to capture the who and what of a moment,
so too do you want to capture similar things, with the addition of geo
info (which could be an optional aspect of meeting minutes, for
example, if a speaker is jacked in over Skype in another locality).



On 6/2/06, Hans Gerwitz <hans at gerwitz.com> wrote:
> On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
> > Wouldn't you use hAtom for this?
> I don't think so.  I'm not trying to tag a post with a location or
> timestamp.  Rather, I have web content that represents a moment and
> place in history that I want to microformat.
> On Jun 2, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
> > First of all, CONGRATULATIONS!
> >
> > I must admit, when I saw the stop motion video of the Apple NYC
> > store when
> > it was first posted, and saw you with the sign, I couldn't help but
> > wonder
> > what the answer was.
> Uhm, thanks, but that wasn't me.  The vjournal in question is for
> Paris. ;-)
> > A bunch of folks took a look at vjournal to see if it made sense as
> > a basis
> > for a blogging microformat, and after considerable analysis (which
> > I believe
> > is captured on the list and in the hatom-issues document),
> > determined that
> > since vjournal first came out, blogging and syndication format
> > development
> > has advanced considerably, with all the experience behind RSS and
> > Atom.
> I agree completely, but this isn't a blogging scenario in question.
> My next theme rollout will include hAtom and this post will be marked
> with the publication time, and maybe the publication place.  But the
> use case I'm presenting is quite different.
> I could imagine producing a feed that exposed all the "moments" and
> events I've published, and perhaps that would transfer the time and
> location data to hAtom hentries.
> But it doesn't smell right to embed an hentry in the content, as this
> moment is not a feed entry (in context).
> An analogue case: if you describe a conference presentation you just
> attended, you might want to embed an vevent for the presentation.  I
> don't think anyone would suggest that hAtom is meant to replace
> anything that has time and location!
> Similarly, I think the next best microformat for my use case here
> would be an vevent, but RFC 2445 says otherwise.  Why should I
> pretend that the moment I'm describing is a scheduled event with a
> start and end time, or an item in a syndication list?
> Thanks for letting me borrow some neurons,
> - - -
> Hans Gerwitz
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