[uf-discuss] hCite progress

Chris Messina chris.messina at gmail.com
Mon Nov 13 11:07:45 PST 2006

In terms of "type"... How important is that designation? If you have
an open-ended list, isn't that similar to a tag or is there real
consequence to its type-designation?


On 11/13/06, Brian Suda <brian.suda at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have had a few free cycles this last week so i have been making some
> head-way with the citation microformat.
> I took some to to re-organize the XSLT code, so now it should be alot
> easier to create new transformations. So i have added Dublin Core and
> RIS to possible output types.
> This is the new home for all the citation transformations:
> http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/hcite/
> Once we get our version system setup for a citation test suite, i will
> be creating HTML and cite-specific formats and will need some feedback
> on other things to check-in (anyone else is more than welcome to
> create some tests too *hint* *hint* :) ).
> There have been a few hiccups that i am starting to uncover - so any
> guidance is welcomed.
> 1) The term "Pages" i think that actually has two meanings which i
> have confused in the implied schema. The first being "This book is 45
> pages long" which is metadata about the book, and is in the realm of
> media-info microformat. Then there is "this sites pages 43-45" meaning
> a location. So now we need figure out what we are to do? does the
> first metadata become <span class="page-count">45</span> and the
> citation stay "pages" or do we have "start-page" and "end-page" or
> something else? Some systems use "pages" as a string "43-45" others
> have it broken out into SP (start page) 43 EP (end page) 45. I'm not
> sure how they handle references in something like a newspaper where
> the article starts on page 1 and then jumps to page 43... that is not
> start-end, but a list of pages. Then that leads to our
> "singularization" of plural terms. In vCard it is categories (plural)
> but we use "category" singular and just let you have multiple
> instances... can "pages" go the same way? the first instance of
> class="page" is the start page, and the last instance if the last
> page? Any suggestions?
> 2) one of the manditory properties across several different citation
> formats is TYPE. Is this a Book, Journal entry, Thesis, Video, etc.
> Usually and enumerated list of values. The issue is that EVERYONE does
> it differently... so should hCite have an enumerated list of types
> such as "Thesis" and that maps to bibTeX "mastersthesis" and RIS
> "THES" or should that be something transforming apps handle. I'm not
> sure how to handle this (i'd prefer not to use enumerated lists of
> possible values) but if we allow open values, and i write <span
> class="type">Thesis</span> and that gets converted to a citation
> format, it will fail most of the formats because the string "Thesis"
> is not a valid type. I also think it is silly then to do <span
> class="type">THES</span> and then be valid for only one format. This
> is where a hard-coded list of values in hCite would help, hCite's
> "thesis" can be interpreted into various formats' TYPE values -
> although i don't like that idea, but don't have any other suggestions
> except to ignore it and let the implementor figure it out? Any
> comments?
> Also, i have wiki-fied several citation examples from a previous
> email, with accessed date. I have not updated any implied-schemas to
> reflect any changes yet. I haven't outputted the accessed date into
> BibTeX, RIS or Dublin Core because i don't know what field they equate
> too? Alot of this will get flushed out when we start building examples
> and tests.
> All input is welcomed.
> Thanks,
> -brian
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