[uf-discuss] Live Writer and microformats
timber at lava.net
Fri Oct 6 02:42:38 PDT 2006
On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:19 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote:
> Chris Messina wrote:
>> This kind of delves into the "authoritative standards"
>> doesn't it? And how do you keep up with an ever-growing
>> repository of microformats?
>> Obviously it can be done -- and it's something that we need,
>> especially if we're to get support for microformats into
>> client-side software... so isn't that where remote
>> definitions/profiles come in? Sorry for showing my ignorance
>> here, but how would, for example, Flock, (or better, Lucene)
>> stay up-to-date with the most current listing/definitions of
>> all the available microformats?
> Take the work Andy has been doing on the species uF. He's prolific.
> putting in a lot of effort and making headway in the process. He's
> relatively new, fitting the pattern I described above. I respectfully
> suggest that much of the friction with Andy can be attributed to the
> need to
> acclimate new users to the community. I had a similarly frustrating
> few conversations with the list. It's the nature of finding one's way
> through the social norms of a new community. And when the typical
> is that new people get turned on to uF and want to contribute, the
> result is that a large number of uF initiatives will go through the
> normalization/socialization/learning curve of the champion. This
> slows down
> what is already slow from the consensus decision making process and
> volunteer labor force. And as more people dive into the community,
> the more
> divergent the forces for the cultural norm become, which can itself
> make it
> harder to maintain a consistent, viable norm.
I agree -- and not in the way you'd think. I'm going to leave Andy out
of this, and instead talk about myself. I joined this list to help
work on hChat (I work on Adium, a Mac OS X IM client). I quickly
realized that before I could work on it successfully and move the
process forward, I needed to become familiar with the community. So
I've been lurking, albiet a bit noisily at times, but I've been trying
to soak up as much of the community on this list as I can. I'm
planning on writing some semantic HTML in the future and trying to get
things rolling on really understanding uF. THEN, I think I will be
able to help move hChat forward.
uF does seem to have a very slow process, but I think that's a good
thing -- it gives formats a time to percolate and refine themselves
(and for demonstrable need to really be shown), which I think is a
very good thing.
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