[uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats

[Benjamin West]

Mike, I've added the lack of goals to wiki-feedback.  I've also added
to the faq <http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Class_semantics> to add
your point about multiple classes in elements.  It needs some
polishing; I did little more than ask the question and then answer
"yes".

Ben

On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Another nit I just realized.  I think you need to point out that it is legal
> to have more than one class in a class attribute (i.e. class="foo bar").  I
> always assumed that you could have only have one class per element. My
> immediate reaction to Microformats was they were not practical until my
> misconception was cleared after which I became a convert. I would guess a
> lot of people might have a similar misconception.
>
> -Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Schinkel [mailto:mikeschinkel at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:45 PM
> To: 'Microformats Discuss'
> Subject: RE: [uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats
>
> Roger:
>
> Nit: "Semantic Hooks" mentions "class, rel, and rev" but not "title."
>
> Next, my first thought was I found the beginning confusing. The first slide
> I read is "Purpose of Microformats" and the second is (X)HTML. As I read the
> second (and third) I'm trying to figure out where the microformat examples
> are. I guess I was expecting and introductory statement about the purpose
> and then an overview of what your are going to tell explain. You know, the
> old "Tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then tell 'em
> what you said."
>
> I understand why you are giving background on XHTML, but for someone who
> doesn't already understand the subject I think the current organization
> could be very disorienting.
>
> That said, I started jotting down notes until I had completely restructured
> your presentation (based on my 7+ years experience in developing programming
> courseware and delivering those courses.) I'll include my note below my
> signature, but please accept them as merely suggestions to consider and, as
> I have no price of authorship, feel free to incorporate or discard any of my
> suggestions. Also please note, I didn't flesh everything out, so if you do
> incorporate a significant number of my suggestions you'll certainly need to
> rework some of it as I didn't flesh it out exhaustively, and in two case I
> left "to be written" with notes.
>
> JMTCW.
>
> -Mike Schinkel
> http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog
> http://www.welldesignedurls.org/
>
>
> =================================
> * Title Slide
>
> * Purpose of Microformats
> -- The purpose of microformats is to enrich the semantics of web Pages
>
> * To be covered
> -- What Problem do Microformats Solve? -> See "USe-cases for Microformats"
> below, To be written
> -- Background: Let's Define "Web Pages" -> Use (X)HTML page, Browser
> Rendering, (X)Html Semantics
> -- Goals and Constraints Chosen for Microformats
>         -> Use "Microformat Goals" (See below, to be written)
>         -> "These Constraints are Sacred" (from below)
> -- Example Microformat -> Use existing
> -- Benefits -> Use Aggregating Microformats, Other?
> -- Summary -> Use (edited version of) "Purpose of Microformats (Revised)"
> -- Brilliance of Microformats -> Use existing
>
> * Use-cases for Microformats
> -- (I don't think I've an explicit list mentioned anywhere yet)
> -- (If would be good to get a common set of use-cases to help everyone
> target the same outcomes)
>
> * Microformat Goals
> -- (This I know instintively but can't put into words in the context of
> "goals."
> -- (Nothing I could find on Microformats.org is explicit in defining
> "goals")
> -- (If would be good if there were a consensus, or at least if we were all
> aware.)
>
> * These Constraints were considered Sacred:
> -- No Update to existing Browsers Required
>         -> Use "No New Markup" (Change "Markup" to "(X)HTML Tags" and add
> "Required")
>         -> Use "Semantic Hooks", rename to "Enhancing Semantics using
> Existing (X)HTML Tags"
>         -> Use "Many Ways to Mark Up Information", rename to "Any Element
> can be Described"
> -- No Impact to Presentation -> Use existing slide
> -- Controlled process to eliminate Chaos -> Use "Standardized Class Values"
> =================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of
> Costello, Roger L.
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:28 AM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: RE: [uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats
>
> Thanks Rob.  Good suggestion.  I have added two new slides - one that shows
> an example Microformat, the second shows an aggregator collecting
> Microformats in Web pages.
>
> http://www.xfront.com/microformats/Purpose-of-Microformats.html
>
> Thanks!
>
> /Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Rob
> Unsworth
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:56 PM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: RE: [uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats
>
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Costello, Roger L. wrote:
>
> > Thanks a lot Tantek.  That's exactly the kind of feedback I was
> > seeking.
> >
> > I have made a few changes (added a couple new slides, modified a few
> > slides).  Please let me know if this now captures the "purpose of
> > Microformats."
> >
> > http://www.xfront.com/microformats/Purpose-of-Microformats.html
>
> Roger,
> As someone new to microformats and normally just lurking and learning I
>
> did notice, at least to me, a flaw in your slides. At the beginning you
>
> give examples using divs and spans and also an unordered list.
>
> It would be more understandable if the presentation was rounded off by
> having a similar microformat example as part of the conclusion.
>
> Rob
>
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