[uf-discuss] Size considerations

[Andy Mabbett]

In message <F9E8EA91-E8FD-42F4-BB19-9FAF126D829F at randomchaos.com>, Scott
Reynen <scott at randomchaos.com> writes

>On Oct 18, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>
>> Scott Reynen <scott at randomchaos.com> writes
>>
>>> It would be helpful to look at some real-world markup so we  can come
>>> up with practical ways to address this concern.
>>
>> I've just posted real markup on the Wiki
>
>I should have been more clear.  I'd like to see real-world markup via
>email where this discussion is currently taking place, so we can
>analyze the markup and come up with practical advice to offer in the
>FAQ.

OK:

        (reformatted for clarity)


        <tr class="X">

        <th scope="row">Friday 3<br>
        7:30–9:30pm
        </th>

        <td>
        <abbr class="wmbc" title="West Midland Bird Club">WMBC</abbr>
        <a href="../solihull/indoor.htm"
           title="Solihull Branch indoor meetings"
        >
        Solihull Branch indoor meeting
        </a>.
        </td>

        <td>Solihull College, New Lecture Rooms, Blossomfield Road,
        Solihull B91 1SB (SP142790).
        </td>

        <td>Steve Smith: The Farne Islands and the Bass Rock.
        </td>

        </tr>

vs:

        <tr id="D20061103a" class="vevent X">

        <th scope="row">Friday 3<br>
        <abbr class="dtstart" title="2006-11-03T19:30:00+00:00">
           7:30
        </abbr>
        –
        <abbr class="dtend" title="2006-11-03T21:30:00+00:00">
           9:30
        </abbr>
        pm
        </th>

        <td class="summary">
        <abbr class="wmbc"
                title="West Midland Bird Club">WMBC
        </abbr>
        <a class="url" href="../solihull/indoor.htm"
           title="Solihull Branch indoor meetings">
           Solihull Branch indoor meeting
        </a>
        .
        </td>

        <td class="location vCard">
        <span class="fn org">Solihull College</span>,
        <span class="adr">
           <span class="extended-address">New Lecture Rooms</span>,
           <span class="street-address">Blossomfield Road</span>,
           <span class="locality">Solihull</span>
           <span class="postal-code">B91 1SB</span>
        </span>
        (
        <abbr class="geo" title="52.4095; -1.7921">
           SP142790
        </abbr>
        ).
        </td>

        <td class="description">
           Steve Smith: The Farne Islands and the Bass Rock.
        </td>

        </tr>

That's 399 characters increased to 860 (excluding indentation); over
double.


>  The FAQ exists to help people solve problems, not to confirm  that
>their problems are indeed problems.

There was me, thinking that it existed to answer their questions,
honestly.

Who says the extra markup is a problem? I didn't.

>  I think Mike's done a good  job of exploring solutions to the problem
>of verbose markup, but so  far we're lacking real-world markup in this
>(email) discussion.

No longer.

>  If  we can provide some real-world markup examples here, and apply
>some  of the ideas Mike introduced, I think that would move the
>discussion  forward toward something that would be appropriate to add
>to the FAQ  in the wiki.

I'll look forward to seeing somebody reinstate my example, then.

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