[uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

[Mike Schinkel]

>> Point taken, I'll include more URI's when I should.

Thanks.

>> If there is a creator missing, I'll gladly come up with something.

That said, I'll use this as an opening to pose a question that I've been
wanting to pose since I haven't gotten all my thoughts 100% sorted on the
subject, but I can do it less formally tagging onto this thread...

It seems to me that a spec in a "necessary but not sufficient" condition for
maximum adoption.  Additionally I see these things as needed:

* Reference implementation in Javascript for add-ins to web-based text
editors for blog, forum, and wiki software
* Reference implementations in Java, .NET, Ruby, PHP, Python, etc. as
Windows, Mac, and Linux components for add-ins to desktop web publishing
apps 
* Reference implementations in Java, .NET, Ruby, PHP, Python, etc. for
parsing HTML pages in Microformats
* Evangelism to Website owners 
* Evangelism to Software Platform and Tool vendors

I'm sure there are more, but I see these as critical, and I'm not sure what
level of efforts or even awareness there are towards these ends. I'd love to
be involved in some of these efforts although currently I personally don't
have enough consulting revenue to support such efforts and no one is
currently sponsoring me to be involved here (this is just a personal
interest I have.)

What's more, I'm not sure what everyone view the goals of Microformats and
the envisioned use-cases. I'm coming to believe that there are some very
different assumed goals & use-cases among the people in discussions (not
because of anything specific, just a feeling I have.)  Without clarifying
these, I think we'll be at cross purposes long term.

I guess I should probably have started a new thread on this...?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin
West
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:08 PM
To: Microformats Discuss
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Mike,
But I'm so lazy.  Point taken, I'll include more URI's when I should.

Mike, your comments are under
<http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture>.

I did the hAtom creator and am interested in further work on the creators.
<http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Creators>

If there is a creator missing, I'll gladly come up with something.

Ben

On 10/18/06, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>  See my todo list.
>
> Suggestion: can you be sure to include the actual URL of any 
> referenced item in any emails to make sure I can actually find it. :)
>
> >> Do you think you can do a refinement of your categories on the 
> >> to-do
> list?  Can you also enumerate the categories of content generally 
> available on the wiki?
>
> Again, same comment...  And was this for me, or everyone?
>
> -Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org
> [mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of 
> Benjamin West
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:24 PM
> To: Microformats Discuss
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
>
> > The point is there isn't necessarily one for a new spec. Until 
> > someone builds one.
> No worries here.  I'm commited to doing this.  See my todo list.  Is 
> there any that are missing?
>
> > So my point was I wouldn't see a generators/creators as the entry 
> > point for a microformat, that's all.
>
> Ah, ok.
>
> Summary:
> * Support Scanning
> * Don't overwhelm with resources/text
> * Provide strong scents for where relevant information lives.
>
> > And sorry if I'm overstating that which everyone may already be 
> > agreeing
> on.
>
> Building consensus and making sure we understand one another isn't a 
> waste of time.  But now that we all agree, let's please start taking 
> notes and mentally sifting through everything.  Do you think you can 
> do a refinement of your categories on the to-do list?  Can you also 
> enumerate the categories of content generally available on the wiki?
>
> I'm thinking:
> * Advocacy of Best Practices
> ( Do we really want to do this? there are other places that do this)
> * FAQ
> ( Both general and specific to each format.  how do we present this?)
> * Spec Materials
> (Landing page, getting started, guides, and spec.)
>
> Can we somehow fit all the content on the wiki into these areas? Would 
> it address the concerns on the wiki-feedback page?  Are there 
> categories missing?
>
> Ben
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