[uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud
john at westciv.com
Wed Sep 20 06:32:04 PDT 2006
> On 20/9/2006, "Stephen Paul Weber" <singpolyma at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics
>> (ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to
>> that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not
>> microformat's job, the implementor can add extra classes or whatever
>> to make that work if title isn't good enough for that.
> It's true that styling is not the job of a microformat, but we must
> seriously consider how it would be styled. If there's not a practical
> way to style the tag cloud, no one will use it and we'd all be wasting
> our time.
I'd have to concur with that. When considering what I felt was, and
subsequent discussion demonstrates is a reasonably tricky issue, that
of how to properly markup the weights, or popularity of tags, I kept
1. appropriate use of HTML
2. what developers are likely to actually adopt, based on an analysis
of current practice, my anecdotal knowledge of widespread current
practices, and a straw poll of some developers I know
One important aspect of the latter is stylability. The title
attribute of a link if styled with attribute selectors, won't
actually appear styled in any current released version of IE for
Windows. So to my mind that excludes using title (at least alone)
because tagclouds would be effectively useless for the majority of
todays web users, and so what developer would use title for this?
It's an interesting issue. In the case of some microformats, for
example rating is hReview, or XFN, it's not that big a deal. But
tagclouds are somewhat different - the visual nature of them is a
strong driver of their appeal.
This raises a secondary issue, straight from the uf process
If I looked at this microformat in a browser that didn't support CSS
or had CSS turned off, would it still be human-readable?
Are this format's elements stylable with CSS?
In the first instance, in one sense it would be readable - you could
read the words. But in a sense, no, as the meaning of the tagcloud is
lost - we just get an alphabetical list of words with no indication
of how they compare with one another in terms of say popularity - or
whatever the cloud represents.
Are they stylable with CSS? Well, title is stylable thusly
But as observed elsewhere, as IE 6 and older on windows do't support
it, is it in reality stylable?
so, in fact, "styling is not themicroformat's job" does not entirely
reflect at least the published process of developing a uf
Thanks Drew and Stephen for the thoughtful comments
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