[uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

Martin McEvoy martin at weborganics.co.uk
Fri Aug 15 01:39:44 PDT 2008

Hello Lisa

Lisa Goodlin wrote:
> On 8/14/08 10:48 AM, "Martin McEvoy" <martin at weborganics.co.uk> wrote:
>> *family-name-preposition*  is probably more accurate to what you are
>> trying to describe "von" in dutch simply means "of" or "from", "O" as in
>> "O'Donnell",  in Irish  means  "descendant of" or  "grandson of" (in
>> Gaelic Ua),  Mc and Mac are again Irish meaning "son of",  and "Fitz" as
>> in "FitzGerald"  is an Irish hash of the french "fils de" which also
>> means "son of". What I am trying to say is any of these prefixes simply
>> mean "of" and shouldn't really be considered part of their family name
>> although they mostly are,  think "Van Gough" would you know who I meant
>> if  I just said "Gough"?
> And that's why art historians refer to "Leonardo" and turn away in disgust
> when people say "da Vinci."
I have never considered that, a good point on differences in peoples 
names in popular culture, I quite like being on first name terms with 
artists, makes me feel like I am their buddy or something :-)


Martin McEvoy
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