[uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

[Michael Smethurst]

Hi Martin


On 14/8/08 15:48, "Martin McEvoy" <martin at weborganics.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello Michael
> 
> Michael Smethurst wrote:
>> 
>> On 14/8/08 12:32, "Brian Suda" <brian.suda at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> 2008/8/14, Michael Smethurst <Michael.Smethurst at bbc.co.uk>:
>>>     
>>>>  On listings pages and:
>>>> 
>>>>  <h1 class="vcard">
>>>>  <a href="http://localhost:3005/people/16" class="n fn url">
>>>>  <span class="given-name">Ludwig</span>
>>>>  <span class="family-name-prefix">van</span>
>>>>  <span class="family-name">Beethoven</span>
>>>>  </a>
>>>>  </h1>
>>>> 
>>>>  On ludwig's page
>>>> 
>>>>  It means that Ludwig loses his van on operator export but I guess he won't
>>>>  complain.
>>>>       
>>> --- you could solve this by nesting the spans as well.
>>> 
>>> <span class="family-name">
>>> <span class="family-name-prefix">van</span>
>>> Beethoven
>>> </span>
>>>     
>> 
>> Cool, I'll do  this on the person page and leave him slightly broke on the
>> listings where the nesting isn't possible cos of the separation
>> Beethoven, Ludwig van
>> 
>> I've asked around and the label "Onomastic prefix" has been suggested:
>> 
>> http://www.listservicedirect.com/ethnic_religious.html
>> 
>> But again it doesn't seem to differentiate between attached and detached
>> prefixes
>> 
>> So I'll stick with family-name-prefix for now (it's easier to spell for one)
>> unless anyone has a better idea
>>   
> 
> *family-name-preposition*  is probably more accurate to what you are
> trying to describe "von" in dutch simply means "of" or "from", "O" as in
> "O'Donnell",  in Irish  means  "descendant of" or  "grandson of" (in
> Gaelic Ua),  Mc and Mac are again Irish meaning "son of",  and "Fitz" as
> in "FitzGerald"  is an Irish hash of the french "fils de" which also
> means "son of". What I am trying to say is any of these prefixes simply
> mean "of" and shouldn't really be considered part of their family name
> although they mostly are,  think "Van Gough" would you know who I meant
> if  I just said "Gough"?

Family-name-preposition it is. You can see beethoven here:

http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:1895/people/16

I've disabled vcards on lists cos the lists are kinda long and operator was
choking

> 
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Martin McEvoy
>>  
>>   
>>> This way, you are still adding POSH to the 'van' prefix, but it will
>>> get exported to Operator together with the family-name. Unless this
>>> would be a violation of the semantics of "family-name", but i think in
>>> this case the nesting would be ok.
>>> 
>>> -brian
>>>     
>> 
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