[uf-discuss] hcard: born and died and flourished

Michael Smethurst Michael.Smethurst at bbc.co.uk
Fri Aug 29 02:53:57 PDT 2008

Hi Toby / all

On 21/8/08 14:49, "Toby A Inkster" <mail at tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote:

>> And I've decided to use class="dday" for date of death and
>> class='flourished-start' and class='flourished-end' for flourished
>> dates
>> Where either date is circa I've included ca. in the span with bday,
>> dday,
>> flourished-start or flourished-end:
>> <span class="bday">ca. 1575</span>-<span class="dday">ca. 1614</span>
>> Does this look /feel right or am I missing something obvious? Is there
>> established POSH for death date and flourished dates?
> I've previously recommended using 'dday' for date of death. DDAY is
> the name of the property in the draft vCard 4.0 spec, so it seems
> likely that any future extension of hCard that does include a date of
> death will name the property 'dday'.
> 'dday' is already supported in Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/
> cognition/>.
> I imagine that your use of 'ca.' in dates will cause problems for
> some parsers, which expect to find an ISO 8601 date these - it
> certainly breaks in Cognition. You may be able to improve parser
> behaviour by using value excerpting:
> <span class="bday">
>    <span class="approx">ca.</span>
>    <span class="value">1575</span>
> </span>

I've ended up with something similar:

<span class="bday"><abbr class="approximation" title="circa">ca.</abbr>
<span class="value">1660</span></span>
<span class="dday"><abbr class="approximation" title="circa">ca.</abbr>
<span class="value">1732</span></span>

Which can be seen here:


For flourished dates I've gone with:

<abbr title="flourished">fl.</abbr>
<span class="flourished-start"><abbr class="approximation"
title="circa">ca.</abbr> <span class="value">1418</span></span>
<span class="flourished-end"><abbr class="approximation"
title="circa">ca.</abbr> <span class="value">1426</span></span>

As here:


Does this seem acceptable?

Again this is useful:


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