[uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

Michael Smethurst Michael.Smethurst at bbc.co.uk
Fri Aug 29 03:49:15 PDT 2008

On 21/8/08 18:41, "Martin McEvoy" <martin at weborganics.co.uk> wrote:

> Michael Smethurst wrote:
>> Hi Martin
>> On 14/8/08 15:48, "Martin McEvoy" <martin at weborganics.co.uk> wrote:
>> *family-name-preposition*  is probably more accurate to what you are
>>> trying to describe "von" in dutch simply means "of" or "from"
> Oh I quoted wrong there I meant to say "van" in Dutch simply means "of"
> or "from" my bad! ;-)
> "von" still means "of"  or "from" but is also used to indicate
> German/Austrian nobility similar to "de" in French.
>> , "O" as in
>>> "O'Donnell",  in Irish  means  "descendant of" or  "grandson of" (in
>>> Gaelic Ua),  Mc and Mac are again Irish meaning "son of",  and "Fitz" as
>>> in "FitzGerald"  is an Irish hash of the french "fils de" which also
>>> means "son of". What I am trying to say is any of these prefixes simply
>>> mean "of" and shouldn't really be considered part of their family name
>>> although they mostly are,  think "Van Gough" would you know who I meant
>>> if  I just said "Gough"?
>> Family-name-preposition it is. You can see beethoven here:
>> http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:1895/people/16
> Ahh Shame! the link doesn't work for me

My bad. Was on internal port. Try
> I will try it later
> Best Wishes
> Martin McEvoy
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