[uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

[Tantek Ç elik]

On 1/7/08 4:46 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

> In message <C3A7FBC6.9A3E3%tantek at cs.stanford.edu>, Tantek Çelik
> <tantek at cs.stanford.edu> writes
> 
>> On 1/7/08 3:46 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Data in the class attribute is a known anti-pattern.
>>> 
>>> extended-address, street-address, locality, region - all just as much
>>> data in class attributes.
>> 
>> properties!=values.  types/schema are not "just as much" data.
> 
> You seem to be making unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary
> distinctions.

Please stop making the assumption of lack of foundation logical flaw.

http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-list#Avoid_logical_flaws

<http://microformats.org/wiki/logical-flaws#Assumptions_of_lack_of_foundatio
n_or_justification>

The distinction of properties, values, types, schema etc. are well
documented computer science terms.

Rather than asserting "unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary
distinctions", if you don't understand such distinctions, ask.  One way to
learn more about such distinctions is to pick up a book or two on computer
science and data structure and learn about them.


> Consider:
> 
>       street- vs. extended- address

sub-properties of adr property

> 
>       given- vs. additional- name

sub-properties of n property


>       work- vs. home- tel

*values* for 'type' sub-property of tel property.

These distinctions come from RFC 2426 as well as
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-design-methodology
Read both carefully to understand these distinctions better.


On 1/7/08 4:59 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

> In message <C3A801EF.9A3ED%tantek at cs.stanford.edu>, Tantek Çelik
> <tantek at cs.stanford.edu> writes
> 
>> Mostly microformats just markup existing data in the page so that
>> machines can find it and know what type of data it is.

<theoretical example deleted>

> The "given" and "additional" names are not indicated on the page; not
> even by context.

Please provide the real world example URL for "the page" mentioned,
otherwise it is pointless to argue about it.

http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-list#Use_real_world_examples

And add it to http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues


>> Hence why microformats focus on real world examples on the web that are
>> also *common*.
> 
> And people *commonly* publish what are clearly and unambiguously (to
> humans, but not, without the additional mark-up of a microformat, to
> machines) home or work telephone numbers, without saying as much on the
> page.

Same thing. needs real world example URL. please document on hcard-issues.

Tantek