[uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

[Andy Mabbett]

In message <C3A80E8D.9A3FE%tantek at cs.stanford.edu>, Tantek Çelik 
<tantek at cs.stanford.edu> writes


>>> properties!=values.  types/schema are not "just as much" data.
>>
>> You seem to be making unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary
>> distinctions.
>
>Please stop making the assumption of lack of foundation logical flaw.

I made no "logical flaw". You posted assertions; and made no attempt to 
substantiate them.

>http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-list#Avoid_logical_flaws
>
><http://microformats.org/wiki/logical-flaws#Assumptions_of_lack_of_foundatio
>n_or_justification>

Posting URLs of your own assertions on the wiki as though they were 
evidence contributed little to the debate.

>The distinction of properties, values, types, schema etc. are well
>documented computer science terms.
>
>Rather than asserting "unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary
>distinctions", if you don't understand such distinctions, ask.

I understand, thank you. That does not mean that I agree with your use 
of the terms.

>  One way to
>learn more about such distinctions is to pick up a book or two on computer
>science and data structure and learn about them.

Yes; they told me that a few years before they awarded me my degree in 
the subject.

Your "snarky" comment, against your own policy, also adds little to the 
debate.

>> Consider:
>>
>>       street- vs. extended- address
>
>sub-properties of adr property
>
>>
>>       given- vs. additional- name
>
>sub-properties of n property
>
>
>>       work- vs. home- tel
>
>*values* for 'type' sub-property of tel property.

Arbitrary distinctions.

>These distinctions come from RFC 2426 as well as
>http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-design-methodology
>Read both carefully to understand these distinctions better.

I'm fully aware of both the source and meaning of those terms.

>On 1/7/08 4:59 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <C3A801EF.9A3ED%tantek at cs.stanford.edu>, Tantek Çelik
>> <tantek at cs.stanford.edu> writes
>>
>>> Mostly microformats just markup existing data in the page so that
>>> machines can find it and know what type of data it is.
>
><theoretical example deleted>

The examples were not theoretical, but real (though surname changed out 
of courtesy to the person concerned.

>> The "given" and "additional" names are not indicated on the page; not
>> even by context.

>>> Hence why microformats focus on real world examples on the web that are
>>> also *common*.
>>
>> And people *commonly* publish what are clearly and unambiguously (to
>> humans, but not, without the additional mark-up of a microformat, to
>> machines) home or work telephone numbers, without saying as much on the
>> page.
>
>Same thing. needs real world example URL. please document on hcard-issues.

OFFS!

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-- 
Andy Mabbett