[uf-discuss] Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

[Michael Smethurst]

Whoops that wasn't meant to go out to the world

But whilst I'm here I probably should point out that /most/ bbc
services/channels/networks now have uf-ed schedules

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/programmes/schedules
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/schedules/fm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/oxford
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/programmes/schedules

I'll leave you to guess the rest of the urls

For the moment some schedules are still missing (fivelive, bbc parliament,
local radio etc) but they'll be along soon. They're also not properly linked
into the site but over time will replace existing bbc schedules currently
provided by:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/whatson/

Should also note that all of the below still applies. We're looking for
clarification on the accessibility / semantic validity of these pages. And
we'll let you know if/when we get it ;-)





On 5/3/08 12:21, "Michael Smethurst" <Michael.Smethurst at bbc.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Adam
> 
> We've had the same problems with http://bbc.co.uk/programmes. For now we've
> stuck with the standard abbr design pattern but as Mr Mabbett helpfully
> pointed out our use has potential accessibility issues and definite semantic
> nastiness.
> 
> See here:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/formats/animation
> 
> We've spoken to the bbc accessibility and semantic html working groups. The
> accessibility people said there were no accessibility problems which in the
> light of discussions here and elsewhere surprises me. I'm still chasing to
> get a definite answer and some proper testing
> 
> The conversation is currently in the hands of the UXD cluster
> 
> I've been pushing to get full coverage testing and an update to the BBC
> accessibility standards to say either:
> 
> - you may use microformats
> - you may use the abbreviation design pattern
> 
> Or conversely
> 
> - you may use microformats
> - you must not use the abbreviation design pattern
> 
> [And similar for rdf-a]
> 
> Would be good if you could also raise these questions with Nick Holmes and
> cc Frances Berriman and me. Ta
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/3/08 13:26, "Adam Craven - Four Shapes" <adam.craven at fourshapes.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi fellers,
>> 
>> We're working on the next version of the BBC iPlayer and would love to
>> put some microformats in there.
>> 
>> Below is what I've gotten so far. In this particular instance there's
>> a single box (206x115) with an image attached. When hovered over,
>> using JavaScript, the idea is to retrieve the last 7 days of shows for
>> that particular program. I've opted to use the vevent pattern as it's
>> the most widely supported currently - this is open to change in the
>> future.
>> 
>> I have a concern though. At the moment the spec's datatime pattern is
>> <abbr>. Unfortunately screen readers are going to mangle this, which
>> is unacceptable naturally, so I've reverted to hiding the abbr with
>> {display:none} (this will cover the majority of screen readers) and
>> filled the field with with extra text, date;
>> 
>> <h4><abbr class="dtstart dtstamp" title="2008-03-04T00:00:00Z">Date:</
>> abbr>Mon 8pm - Radio 2</h4>
>> 
>> That way the information can still be parsed. I understand this is an
>> incorrect implementation, but currently unsure how to work around this.
>> 
>> Does anyone have suggestions how this can be worked around whilst
>> still keeping relatively good screen reader support?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <li class="programme">
>> <div class="feature">
>> <a id="uid-9121211" href="#9121211" class="image uid url">
>> <img src="img/_dev/206x115.jpg" width="206" height="115"
>> alt="206x115" />
>> </a>
>> <div class="details">
>> <a class="play-tv" href="#9121211">
>> <span>Play TV</span>
>> </a>
>> <h3 id="summary-9121211" class="summary">
>> <a href="#9121211">Two pints of Juergen and a ...</a>
>> </h3>
>> </div>
>> </div>
>> <ul>
>> <li class="vevent featured">
>> <a href="#summary-9121211" class="include"></a>
>> <a href="#uid-9121211" class="include"></a>
>> <h4><abbr class="dtstart dtstamp"
>> title="2008-03-04T00:00:00Z">Date:</abbr>Mon 8pm - Radio 2</h4>
>> <div class="description">
>> <p>Short description of episode lies here. It can be up-to 90
>> characters long.</p>
>> <p>Expires in 3 days</p>
>> </div>
>> <p><a href="#downbaby">More episodes >></a></p>
>> </li>
>> <li class="vevent">
>> <a href="#summary-9121211" class="include"></a>
>> <a href="#uid-9121211" class="include"></a>
>> <h4><abbr class="dtstart dtstamp"
>> title="2008-03-04T00:00:00Z">Date:</abbr>Mon 8pm - Radio 2</h4>
>> <div class="description">
>> <p>Short description of episode lies here. It can be up-to 90
>> characters long.</p>
>> <p>Expires in 3 days</p>
>> </div>
>> <p><a href="#downbaby">More episodes >></a></p>
>> </li>
>> <li class="vevent">
>> <a href="#summary-9121211" class="include"></a>
>> <a href="#uid-9121211" class="include"></a>
>> <h4><abbr class="dtstart dtstamp"
>> title="2008-03-04T00:00:00Z">Date:</abbr>Mon 8pm - Radio 2</h4>
>> <div class="description">
>> <p>Short description of episode lies here. It can be up-to 90
>> characters long.</p>
>> <p>Expires in 3 days</p>
>> </div>
>> <p><a href="#downbaby">More episodes >></a></p>
>> </li>
>> </ul>
>> 
>> 
>> </li>
>> </li> 
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