Fwd: [uf-new] hMovie?

[Kevin Marks]

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> From: Mary Hodder <mary at dabble.com>
> Date: July 19, 2007 3:28:16 PM PDT
> To: Kevin Marks <kevinmarks at mac.com>
> Subject: Fwd: [uf-new] hMovie?
>
> can you pls post this to the new microformats list.. it's not  
> letting my email through.
>
> thnks,
> mary
>
> Mary Hodder
> Founder:  Dabble
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>
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>> From: Mary Hodder <mary at dabble.com>
>> Date: July 19, 2007 9:08:34 AM PDT
>> To: "For discussion of new microformats." <microformats- 
>> new at microformats.org>
>> Subject: Re: [uf-new] hMovie?
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> A couple of us have collected video examples here:
>> http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-examples#Video
>>
>> Many are from two years ago, so it may need some refreshing, but  
>> there
>> are already a variety of examples of metadata as published.
>>
>> Kevin Marks and I did a session at Web 20 Expo in the open space
>> part of the conference on this issue.
>>
>> I'd like to see a media microformat for video asap but it's been  
>> more about
>> being very busy on other things than anything else that's kept us  
>> from
>> pushing forward on this.
>>
>> There are two things that I've noticed that may be in conflict:
>>
>> 1.  the example in the email yesterday gave a list of IMDB like  
>> types of
>> metadata around video from that perspective, that few people other  
>> than
>> IMDB publish online.  Most people to not put up a video they've made,
>> either on their own blogs, or embedded from a hoster, and list all  
>> those
>> categories of metadata around the video.
>>
>> 2.  most people (and hosters) tend to publish video and give a  
>> limited set of data:
>> title
>> description
>> url
>> tags
>> duration
>> other formats via url
>> thumbnail
>>
>> of the 100 million videos online now, that is maybe 95%  if not more.
>>
>> Microformats are supposed to reflect what is actually in practice  
>> online,
>> not what you want people to do that they don't do now.
>>
>> I would suggest that we need to resolve this conflict between  
>> professional
>> style metadata associated with video, and the rest of the massive  
>> amount of
>> publishing going on now online.. in order to figure out what to do  
>> here.
>>
>> Lastly, there is the issue of quoting.. there are many services  
>> now that allow:
>> - url/timecode based subtitlling, tagging and thought bubbles
>> - remixing
>> - playlisting (much like an edit decision list)
>> - grouping (association of quotes)
>> - playing just a quote of a longer piece of video
>>
>> And there is the issue of multivideo grouping:
>> - groups of videos in their full state
>> - playlisting of videos
>>
>> These are all in common practice on the web (I'll add some urls to  
>> examples
>> of these to the page I referenced above) and need to be taken into  
>> account
>> in the microformat as well, because people blog or publish these  
>> all the time.
>>
>> mary
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Manu Sporny wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Aljord wrote:
>>>> I'm doing a website to publish a list of movies with the same  
>>>> kind of
>>>> data imdb has:
>>>> Director, Writers, Release date (per country), genre, tagline, plot
>>>> outline, workers (those are people that work for the movie like
>>>> actors, costumes, executive producer, sound engineer etc),  
>>>> language,
>>>> sound-mix , country, duration, aspect-ratio...
>>>> I'm wondering if there is way to set all that as a microformat.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think it's doable or is that too much information for a  
>>>> microformat?
>>>
>>> It is do-able and is on the slate of things to get done. We just
>>> finished up the hAudio draft about a month ago. We are going to be
>>> moving forward with hAlbum and hVideo afterwards.
>>>
>>> It will take around 3 months to collect enough examples, analyze  
>>> those
>>> examples and publish a draft for hVideo. hVideo is part of a bigger
>>> initiative called media-info, whose goal is to be able to mark up  
>>> media
>>> information much like what you listed for video.
>>>
>>> In short - yes, the community is definitely interested in getting a
>>> video Microformat completed. It will take around 3 months to  
>>> complete.
>>> At the moment, nobody is working on it due to the focus on  
>>> completing
>>> hAudio.
>>>
>>> Would you be willing to collect sample URLs for video? If so,  
>>> that would
>>> move that project forward.
>>>
>>> -- manu
>>>
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