[uf-new] Fwd: [uf-discuss] Using org in vcard in haudio

Scott Reynen scott at makedatamakesense.com
Fri Jun 15 08:56:39 PDT 2007

I think this belongs on the -new list, so I'm forwarding from -discuss.

Scott Reynen

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> From: Michael Smethurst <Michael.Smethurst at bbc.co.uk>
> Date: June 15, 2007 3:26:17 AM MDT
> To: Microformats Discuss <microformats-discuss at microformats.org>,  
> "For discussion of new microformats." <microformats- 
> new at microformats.org>
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Using org in vcard in haudio
> Reply-To: Microformats Discuss <microformats-discuss at microformats.org>
> Hi Scott
> I was thinking along the same lines but couldn't decide on the  
> demarcation
> between people and people AS organisations. Is a function of  
> production or
> fame? Would the same rules apply to Tony Blair, Andy Warhol? Is  
> there a
> difference between Mark E Smith the person and Mark E. Smith the  
> ""singer""?
> Or Tony Blair the person and Tony Blair the politician. Anyway, for  
> now I'm
> keeping it simple and leaving out org cos I don't know from the db  
> if it's a
> group or a person... So just fn it is
> Anyway,  my first shot at combining hevent and haudio to describe a
> tracklist is in the wild(ish) here:
> http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2822/programmes/shaunkeaveny/episodes/ 
> 43n8r
> If we can reach some consensus it'll be rolling out across all the  
> bbc music
> radio and tv programme pages soon(ish). That's a /lot/ of pages so  
> any help
> in getting it right would be much appreciated
> - each track played is both an event and audio. Because hevent uses  
> summmary
> for it's title and haudio uses fn there's some duplication
> - because each event ( a programme segment) doesn't  have a url but  
> the
> contributor / contact hcard does both operator and tails parse out  
> this url
> as the url of the event (see also
> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-June/ 
> 009789.h
> tml)
> - the way contributors are added in haudio seems to differ from how  
> contacts
> are added in hevent. In hevent the hcard can live on the same  
> element as
> contact; the haudio examples seem to suggest that the hcard lives  
> on a child
> element of contributor. This might make the layout of a tracklist  
> in a table
> difficult if the track has 2 contributors (performer + composer)
> - music brainz links. Both the bbc and another newer more 2.0 radio  
> service
> are committed to making music resources (artists, releases, tracks)
> addressable thru urls using musicbrainz ids. But we don't want  
> these to be
> our public facing canonical urls. We also don't wanna expose links to
> musicbrainz to users in tracklists (cos they'd get confused). So  
> I've added
> empty links to musicbrainz artists (where available). These are  
> definitely
> designed for machines first and humans not at all - apologies - I / 
> know/
> it's bad
> Anyway, help, tips, corrections, clarifications, rants all appreciated
> Thanks
> michael
> On 14/6/07 23:28, "Scott Reynen" <scott at randomchaos.com> wrote:
>> I'm cross-posting this to the -new list, as it might also be relevant
>> to the hAudio work happening on -new.
>> On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Michael Smethurst wrote:
>>> What should you do if you don't have the data to
>>> determine whether a "contact" is a group or an individual?
>> I think it depends on the context.  If it's just a generic contact
>> that you know nothing about, I'd say just use fn, as adding org is
>> potentially incorrect information.  But if you know it's a music act,
>> I think it makes sense to consider even an individual performer's
>> name to be an organization name in that context.  I'd say there's a
>> difference, for example, between Norah Jones the person, who would be
>> <span class="fn">Norah Jones</span>, and Norah Jones the musical act,
>> which would be <span class="fn org">Norah Jones</span>.
>> Peace,
>> Scott
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